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The technology and concept are interesting, but the branding is a non-starter. Even if you forgive the overall project name, the individual applications are wor

The technology and concept are interesting, but the branding is a non-starter. Even if you forgive the overall project name, the individual applications are worse. They include: - QFlatBoob - QHandjoob - Boobcoming - Boobsize - Flatboob - Wetboobs This naming convention undermines the project's potential. I can't take this to my boss & colleagues. I don't want it on my github profile or my resume. I don't want to talk about it at my meetups. I suspect that you are surprised and disappointed to find that naming objections are the dominant response to your project. I assume you want the project to find a broad audience and didn't name the project badly on purpose. So let me try to explain why you're getting this reaction. 1. Boob jokes are juvenile. They remind me of school buses full of sweaty pubescent boys, drenched in Axe body spray and crudely trying to discuss sex. I already lived that once and I really don't want to go back. Leave it on r/blunderyears/ 2. Boob jokes sexualize needlessly. Sex is a wonderful, healthy part of life. People's bodies are beautiful. But sex is also distracting. You don't want to be thinking about sex when you're trying to focus on building software. It's just counterproductive. 3. Boob jokes undermine community. THIS is the biggest problem. By naming all your software after bad boob jokes, you make it very uncomfortable for women to participate in your project. Imagine a woman with great Python skills and a desire to improve the web finds your project. Do you want her thinking about how 14 year old boys talked about her adolescent body, or do you want her thinking about what cool applications she can build with you? ====== I hope you take this feedback in good faith and rebrand the project. I'd love to see it succeed. PS. I'm writing this from the USA. It appears that weboob is developed out of France. Cultures are different, maybe this is more ok in France. But in the US, we're really trying to avoid this kind of thing.

rakoo 9y ago
Thanks a lot for this feedback, but this is not my project. I merely know about it (ansd contributed a module). It is true that coming from France, the issue is probably less important. By the way, here's a piece the creator has written explaining their point of view on the whole thing: http://laurent.bachelier.name/2013/12/weboob-the-asshole-detector/ http://laurent.bachelier.name/2013/12/weboob-the-asshole-det...
- edraferi 9y ago
  Cool, which module? Thanks for the link. It's fascinating to me that the name has been an issue since at least 2013 (when the post was written). There’s no denying they’re childish. What they are not, however, is sexist. [...] it’s all about friendly jokes. I agree -- I don't see ill will or discriminatory intent here. It's just unprofessional and kinda off-putting. Weboob is a formidable tool to detect people that are part of the “be offended first, think later” crowd. Interestingly, the crusaders are to date all male, and often assert that women can’t like jokes about breasts or sex in general. I'm sure that happens, and I'm sorry. I hope this discussion feels more productive. Culture wars are no fun for anybody. For the record, I am male, and not offended. Just disappointed. I agree that wetboobs is a funny name for a weather thing. But it's much funnier in a comedy movie [1] than a collaborative software project. Seems like the project is well aware of and content with the current state of affairs. I wonder how much more it could have grown already without the brand as a stumbling block. They will always make a scene on how they’re never going to use Weboob because of names. Guys, here’s the thing: we don’t need you and we certainly don’t want you. Most of this discussion is about the value of small communities, so maybe it's for the best. Personally, I want to read a bit more about the tech despite the name. Still, the name will likely prevent me from using the tech as broadly as I would otherwise. And that's the disappointment. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_LL9m7cl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_LL9m7cl4

rakoo 9y ago

Thanks a lot for this feedback, but this is not my project. I merely know about it (ansd contributed a module). It is true that coming from France, the issue is probably less important. By the way, here's a piece the creator has written explaining their point of view on the whole thing: http://laurent.bachelier.name/2013/12/weboob-the-asshole-detector/ http://laurent.bachelier.name/2013/12/weboob-the-asshole-det...

edraferi 9y ago
Cool, which module? Thanks for the link. It's fascinating to me that the name has been an issue since at least 2013 (when the post was written). There’s no denying they’re childish. What they are not, however, is sexist. [...] it’s all about friendly jokes. I agree -- I don't see ill will or discriminatory intent here. It's just unprofessional and kinda off-putting. Weboob is a formidable tool to detect people that are part of the “be offended first, think later” crowd. Interestingly, the crusaders are to date all male, and often assert that women can’t like jokes about breasts or sex in general. I'm sure that happens, and I'm sorry. I hope this discussion feels more productive. Culture wars are no fun for anybody. For the record, I am male, and not offended. Just disappointed. I agree that wetboobs is a funny name for a weather thing. But it's much funnier in a comedy movie [1] than a collaborative software project. Seems like the project is well aware of and content with the current state of affairs. I wonder how much more it could have grown already without the brand as a stumbling block. They will always make a scene on how they’re never going to use Weboob because of names. Guys, here’s the thing: we don’t need you and we certainly don’t want you. Most of this discussion is about the value of small communities, so maybe it's for the best. Personally, I want to read a bit more about the tech despite the name. Still, the name will likely prevent me from using the tech as broadly as I would otherwise. And that's the disappointment. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_LL9m7cl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_LL9m7cl4