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It's so telling that a slide like this is needed somewhere at MSFT: http://msftkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/All-Eyes-on-Apple.png http://msftkitchen.c

by jcapote 16y ago

It's so telling that a slide like this is needed somewhere at MSFT: http://msftkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/All-Eyes-on-Apple.png http://msftkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/All-Eyes-o...

TeHCrAzY 16y ago
It looks like this slide isn't intended for internal Microsoft use, so likely they are trying to get across the intentions/direction of focus to the audience.
- aaronbrethorst 16y ago
  FTA: "Of note, these slides were apparently leaked or inadvertently released after being given to one Derek Goode at HP. Likewise, many of the discussions throughout the slides address HP."
- contextfree 16y ago
  More specifically, I think they are trying to convince Dell/HP that they can build an Apple-like brand without leaving the Windows ecosystem (e.g. in favor of buying/building their own OS, e.g. via Palm). That's what the hardware-manufacturer-branded app stores are also about.
sjs 16y ago
What's funny is that further down the page they present Push Button Reset, for when your Windows installation deteriorates to the point of being unusably slow. Instead of fixing their OS they decide to burden the user with re-installing the system and then all of their apps. I would face-palm if I weren't laughing so hard. I wonder if they did any market research on that feature. Every time I tell someone non-techincal that they should re-install Windows to fix their problems the answer is almost invariably either "You can do that?" or "No, that sounds hard." I guess it makes the local/family geek's job easier when we have to help someone out though. If it's 100% reliable. In any case piling more hacks and bloat on top of the OS is not the way to mimic Apple. To be fair they would probably need a much bigger reset than the one in 2006 to fix such deep problems.
- yurisagalov 16y ago
  OK, let's be fair here for a second. If you read Apple's support docs you will quite often run into documents that advocate backing your files to time machine and doing a complete reinstall of OSX. I don't even need to search too hard. A few weeks ago I wanted to install bootcamp but found out that the bootcamp helper refused to partition my drive because it couldn't find a contiguous 30gb slot on my 80gb free drive. Oh! I could just defrag, I thought to myself... but not so fast, Yuri, Apple does not support defragging because Apple knows best. What do they recommend? "Another option is to back up your important files, erase the hard disk, then reinstall Mac OS X and your backed up files." (source: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375) Anyway, personally, I think the push button reset is a natural progression from the System Restore Points, which are great.
  - tfh 16y ago
    > couldn't find a contiguous 30gb slot on my 80gb free drive I had the same problem last year and I used iDefrag to solve it. http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iDefrag.php http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iDefrag.php
  - thought_alarm 16y ago
    >not so fast, Yuri, Apple does not support defragging because Apple knows best. Well, they designed and implemented the system, so they should know best. And they do support defragmentation. Read that page again: "In this case, you might benefit from defragmentation, which can be performed with some third-party disk utilities". The reality is that few users ever have to worry about fragmentation of their HFS+ drives. And if you are concerned about fragmentation, I suggest 'hfsdebug', a free command-line tool.
  - tvon 16y ago
    Not to get all tangental, but these are reasons why something like iOS is the probable future of consumer computing. There is so much crap that people deal with on a day to day basis with computers that they should never even have to know about.
  - sjs 16y ago

by jcapote 16y ago

TeHCrAzY 16y ago

It looks like this slide isn't intended for internal Microsoft use, so likely they are trying to get across the intentions/direction of focus to the audience.

aaronbrethorst 16y ago
FTA: "Of note, these slides were apparently leaked or inadvertently released after being given to one Derek Goode at HP. Likewise, many of the discussions throughout the slides address HP."
contextfree 16y ago
More specifically, I think they are trying to convince Dell/HP that they can build an Apple-like brand without leaving the Windows ecosystem (e.g. in favor of buying/building their own OS, e.g. via Palm). That's what the hardware-manufacturer-branded app stores are also about.

sjs 16y ago

What's funny is that further down the page they present Push Button Reset, for when your Windows installation deteriorates to the point of being unusably slow. Instead of fixing their OS they decide to burden the user with re-installing the system and then all of their apps. I would face-palm if I weren't laughing so hard. I wonder if they did any market research on that feature. Every time I tell someone non-techincal that they should re-install Windows to fix their problems the answer is almost invariably either "You can do that?" or "No, that sounds hard." I guess it makes the local/family geek's job easier when we have to help someone out though. If it's 100% reliable. In any case piling more hacks and bloat on top of the OS is not the way to mimic Apple. To be fair they would probably need a much bigger reset than the one in 2006 to fix such deep problems.

yurisagalov 16y ago
OK, let's be fair here for a second. If you read Apple's support docs you will quite often run into documents that advocate backing your files to time machine and doing a complete reinstall of OSX. I don't even need to search too hard. A few weeks ago I wanted to install bootcamp but found out that the bootcamp helper refused to partition my drive because it couldn't find a contiguous 30gb slot on my 80gb free drive. Oh! I could just defrag, I thought to myself... but not so fast, Yuri, Apple does not support defragging because Apple knows best. What do they recommend? "Another option is to back up your important files, erase the hard disk, then reinstall Mac OS X and your backed up files." (source: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375) Anyway, personally, I think the push button reset is a natural progression from the System Restore Points, which are great.
- tfh 16y ago
  > couldn't find a contiguous 30gb slot on my 80gb free drive I had the same problem last year and I used iDefrag to solve it. http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iDefrag.php http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iDefrag.php
- thought_alarm 16y ago
  >not so fast, Yuri, Apple does not support defragging because Apple knows best. Well, they designed and implemented the system, so they should know best. And they do support defragmentation. Read that page again: "In this case, you might benefit from defragmentation, which can be performed with some third-party disk utilities". The reality is that few users ever have to worry about fragmentation of their HFS+ drives. And if you are concerned about fragmentation, I suggest 'hfsdebug', a free command-line tool.
- tvon 16y ago
  Not to get all tangental, but these are reasons why something like iOS is the probable future of consumer computing. There is so much crap that people deal with on a day to day basis with computers that they should never even have to know about.
- sjs 16y ago