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I don't understand why these bans are only for specific airlines. Maybe if the flights originate from specific airports which may have lax security. However the

I don't understand why these bans are only for specific airlines. Maybe if the flights originate from specific airports which may have lax security. However the ban is also for flights to those destination originating from the US. If there was a way to turn a laptop into a bomb I am sure the terrorist would just jump on a local US aircraft.

oceanswave 9y ago
We've always been at war with eastasia
- yladiz 9y ago
  East Asia? As in Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, HK?
  - krisdol 9y ago
    It's a quote from the book Nineteen Eighty Four
    - yladiz 9y ago
      Ah, thanks. I didn't know and there weren't quotes so I was confused by the statement.
vxxzy 9y ago
I don't think it is so much about it being a "bomb". I'm gonna take a stab and say it may be related to the ability to take over the control system of the plane via a laptop/wifi [1]. It would make sense to some degree if the US knew that an airline had planes that were "unpatched". [1]: http://observer.com/2016/02/midair-hack-shows-the-dangers-of-in-flight-wi-fi/ http://observer.com/2016/02/midair-hack-shows-the-dangers-of...
- rigden33 9y ago
  No it's almost certainly due to the recent intel that found that ISIL had developed a way to hide bombs in laptops to evade airport security. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/terrorist-laptop-bombs-may-evade-security/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/terrorist-laptop-bomb... http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/isis-laptop-bomb-threat-planes-carry-on-ban-europe-middle-east/ http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/isis-laptop-bomb-threat-planes...
  - jbg_ 9y ago
    Let's see... they developed a way to hide a bomb powerful enough to bring down an airliner inside a laptop, but not a way to buy tickets for flights other than a few specific routes on a few specific airlines? If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
    - rigden33 9y ago
      I admit it's a little odd. Relatedly, the UK also instituted a similar laptop ban as well. If not the laptop bomb threat, then what do you think it is? http://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-laptop-ban-flights-explained http://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-laptop-ban-flights-explain...
      - jbg_ 9y ago
        I know some (maybe even most) of the affected airlines have significant government ownership. It could therefore be a way of gaining political leverage. It could also be a leg-up to American carriers competing on those routes. Another commercial option is a tactic to require implementation of security practices that involve American-made equipment. I'm sure there are many other possibilities that make more sense than the public explanation, which only seems to make sense if we assume the people protecting us are incredibly stupid. I don't think they are, so the public story is probably just a cover.
        sqeaky 9y ago
mikeash 9y ago
Are you sure the ban is in both directions? I'm pretty sure it's only on flights to the US, and what I can find online supports this. The ban is because authorities believe security at those airports is inadequate to detect a bomb built into a laptop. This implies they believe security at other airports is able to detect such things. If the ban is being lifted for specific airlines, it's because those airlines have security sufficient to detect these laptop bombs (or at least the authorities believe they do). It is not necessarily the case that every airline at a given airport has the exact same security. It's possible for terminals to be separated and security measures to be enhanced at only one terminal. It's possible for additional security screening to be done at the gate.
- madcaptenor 9y ago
  I flew a round-trip on Turkish (Atlanta-Istanbul-Vienna, then Budapest-Istanbul-Atlanta) while the ban was in effect. The ban was only in effect on the Istanbul to Atlanta flight. I believe I could have carried a laptop on the Budapest-Istanbul flight and "gate-checked" it at Istanbul; I didn't see anyone do this, but my carry-on bag was searched at the gate so I suppose that's when it would have happened. See http://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2017/04/19/guide-electronics-ban-turkish-airlines/ http://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2017/04/19/guide-elec... for an example of how this gate checking may have worked.

oceanswave 9y ago

We've always been at war with eastasia

yladiz 9y ago
East Asia? As in Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, HK?
- krisdol 9y ago
  It's a quote from the book Nineteen Eighty Four
  - yladiz 9y ago
    Ah, thanks. I didn't know and there weren't quotes so I was confused by the statement.

vxxzy 9y ago

I don't think it is so much about it being a "bomb". I'm gonna take a stab and say it may be related to the ability to take over the control system of the plane via a laptop/wifi [1]. It would make sense to some degree if the US knew that an airline had planes that were "unpatched". [1]: http://observer.com/2016/02/midair-hack-shows-the-dangers-of-in-flight-wi-fi/ http://observer.com/2016/02/midair-hack-shows-the-dangers-of...

rigden33 9y ago
No it's almost certainly due to the recent intel that found that ISIL had developed a way to hide bombs in laptops to evade airport security. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/terrorist-laptop-bombs-may-evade-security/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/terrorist-laptop-bomb... http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/isis-laptop-bomb-threat-planes-carry-on-ban-europe-middle-east/ http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/isis-laptop-bomb-threat-planes...
- jbg_ 9y ago
  Let's see... they developed a way to hide a bomb powerful enough to bring down an airliner inside a laptop, but not a way to buy tickets for flights other than a few specific routes on a few specific airlines? If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
  - rigden33 9y ago
    I admit it's a little odd. Relatedly, the UK also instituted a similar laptop ban as well. If not the laptop bomb threat, then what do you think it is? http://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-laptop-ban-flights-explained http://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-laptop-ban-flights-explain...
    - jbg_ 9y ago
      I know some (maybe even most) of the affected airlines have significant government ownership. It could therefore be a way of gaining political leverage. It could also be a leg-up to American carriers competing on those routes. Another commercial option is a tactic to require implementation of security practices that involve American-made equipment. I'm sure there are many other possibilities that make more sense than the public explanation, which only seems to make sense if we assume the people protecting us are incredibly stupid. I don't think they are, so the public story is probably just a cover.
      - sqeaky 9y ago

mikeash 9y ago

Are you sure the ban is in both directions? I'm pretty sure it's only on flights to the US, and what I can find online supports this. The ban is because authorities believe security at those airports is inadequate to detect a bomb built into a laptop. This implies they believe security at other airports is able to detect such things. If the ban is being lifted for specific airlines, it's because those airlines have security sufficient to detect these laptop bombs (or at least the authorities believe they do). It is not necessarily the case that every airline at a given airport has the exact same security. It's possible for terminals to be separated and security measures to be enhanced at only one terminal. It's possible for additional security screening to be done at the gate.

madcaptenor 9y ago
I flew a round-trip on Turkish (Atlanta-Istanbul-Vienna, then Budapest-Istanbul-Atlanta) while the ban was in effect. The ban was only in effect on the Istanbul to Atlanta flight. I believe I could have carried a laptop on the Budapest-Istanbul flight and "gate-checked" it at Istanbul; I didn't see anyone do this, but my carry-on bag was searched at the gate so I suppose that's when it would have happened. See http://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2017/04/19/guide-electronics-ban-turkish-airlines/ http://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2017/04/19/guide-elec... for an example of how this gate checking may have worked.