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What do you think about Three Kings (1999)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film)

by r721 9y ago

rjsw 9y ago
Wrong Gulf war.
- CalChris 9y ago
  There was a right one?
rasz 9y ago
What do you think about Argo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(2012_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(2012_film) pure CIA propaganda
- CalChris 9y ago
  Umm, it was propaganda but it was Hollywood propaganda about Hollywood. That's why this rather minor movie won Best Picture because Hollywood loves movies about Hollywood. As to it being pure CIA propaganda, you'd have to explain more about that.
  - saiya-jin 9y ago
    it might be reference to simple fact that US embassy was covertly used by CIA to actively destabilize the region and revolution, plus support corrupt dictator - something no embassy should ever be used for. Not sure why CIA was naive enough to think they are safe there when rest of country is burning. Iranians made a mistake that they imprisoned US staff - they should just seize all belongings and kick them out of their own country. But one must admit that common fate to spies caught during war - execution (also done by US troops in WW II) was not done on any of them and all returned home eventually. Of course look at media portrayal of Iran back then and even now, when places like Saudi Arabia are big US friends and you hear no loud critics about them... what a sad, pathetic joke
    - CalChris 9y ago
      It was. Also, the CIA did help in the production of Argo. [1] And in fact the US (the Dulles brothers actually) overthrew Mosaddeq. [2] We absolutely deserved what little we got in the hostage crisis. I'm a big Carter fan but as President not as person he symbolized the responsibility and his office deserved this. It's a shame because Reagan was much worse than Carter vis a vis those relations. He actively supported Iraq in their border war. Since Iran was breaking off relations with the US this wasn't exactly a mistake. To this day, we still do not have normal relations with Iran. Bill Clinton was able to re-establish relations with Vietnam. Obama re-established relations with Cuba (although the Republican Senate refused to confirm an Ambassador). While Obama and Hillary Clinton were able to negotiate with Iran we don't have diplomatic relations. Mosaddeq was a democratically elected nationalist who toured the US trying to garner support (that he'd never get because of British Petroleum). It's a damned shame we couldn't respect that. [1] https://news.vice.com/article/cia-helped-produce-top-chef-covert-affairs https://news.vice.com/article/cia-helped-produce-top-chef-co... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-rol...

What do you think about Three Kings (1999)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film)

by r721 9y ago

What do you think about Three Kings (1999)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film)

rjsw 9y ago

Wrong Gulf war.

CalChris 9y ago
There was a right one?

rasz 9y ago

What do you think about Argo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(2012_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(2012_film) pure CIA propaganda

CalChris 9y ago
Umm, it was propaganda but it was Hollywood propaganda about Hollywood. That's why this rather minor movie won Best Picture because Hollywood loves movies about Hollywood. As to it being pure CIA propaganda, you'd have to explain more about that.
- saiya-jin 9y ago
  it might be reference to simple fact that US embassy was covertly used by CIA to actively destabilize the region and revolution, plus support corrupt dictator - something no embassy should ever be used for. Not sure why CIA was naive enough to think they are safe there when rest of country is burning. Iranians made a mistake that they imprisoned US staff - they should just seize all belongings and kick them out of their own country. But one must admit that common fate to spies caught during war - execution (also done by US troops in WW II) was not done on any of them and all returned home eventually. Of course look at media portrayal of Iran back then and even now, when places like Saudi Arabia are big US friends and you hear no loud critics about them... what a sad, pathetic joke
  - CalChris 9y ago
    It was. Also, the CIA did help in the production of Argo. [1] And in fact the US (the Dulles brothers actually) overthrew Mosaddeq. [2] We absolutely deserved what little we got in the hostage crisis. I'm a big Carter fan but as President not as person he symbolized the responsibility and his office deserved this. It's a shame because Reagan was much worse than Carter vis a vis those relations. He actively supported Iraq in their border war. Since Iran was breaking off relations with the US this wasn't exactly a mistake. To this day, we still do not have normal relations with Iran. Bill Clinton was able to re-establish relations with Vietnam. Obama re-established relations with Cuba (although the Republican Senate refused to confirm an Ambassador). While Obama and Hillary Clinton were able to negotiate with Iran we don't have diplomatic relations. Mosaddeq was a democratically elected nationalist who toured the US trying to garner support (that he'd never get because of British Petroleum). It's a damned shame we couldn't respect that. [1] https://news.vice.com/article/cia-helped-produce-top-chef-covert-affairs https://news.vice.com/article/cia-helped-produce-top-chef-co... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-rol...