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My immediate reaction and maybe yours too was "woah, including rsync?" And no, while rsync does indeed begin with a letter R, it is not being removed.

__s 9y ago
rm is also not being deprecated
- lsh 9y ago
  thank goodness - I have no idea how I'd run m remotely.
  - TheCoreh 9y ago
    the new, secure replacement, sm
    - chungy 9y ago
      Seems a bit constricting.
    - cperciva 9y ago
      No, we use the BSD version of that... bsdm.
      - happycube 9y ago
        The requirement to use SNMP with that always put me off.
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  They did a cost benefit analysis, and it turns out that it's actually cheaper to buy new disk drives than to pay someone by the hour to remove files, so rm was just not worth it any more.
JdeBP 9y ago
My immediate reaction was based upon actually reading the headlined message, which lists all 8 commands explicitly. Of course, it has been long known, pretty much since the birth of SSH in fact, that these commands are not the general purpose tools that they were originally designed to be and that their general purpose use is problematic. So my immediate reaction was also based upon knowing exactly what the problem being addressed was, in fairness. There's a litmus test for determining the people who have read the headlined message, by the way. They will be the people who know that the commands are in ports, because the deprecation notice explicitly states where in ports they are to be found; who know where to find the manual pages, because the deprecation notice is a patch to the manual pages; and who mention "ruptime" and "rwho". (-:
- VLM 9y ago
  I am going to miss ruptime as a troubleshooting tool. Sure I can check a web based monitoring tool; its only 100 times slower than typing "ruptime" at any CLI I'm logged into. Most of modern progress revolves around making things slower and less productive, in general. zabbix-cli seems focused on CLI based provisioning of Zabbix. Maybe with a couple minutes effort I could make a very short perl script that massages the output of a wget against a zabbix monitoring server URL to output something kind like ruptime. I could name it zuptime. Ahhh progress. Adding another line to the common role of my ansible commands to pkg install bsdrcmds is annoying but not a terribly high bar. I kind of like the debian way of splitting out into rwho package and so forth, because I don't want rlogin or rcp.
mnd999 9y ago
Rsync was never in the base system afaik - it's in ports though.

__s 9y ago

rm is also not being deprecated

lsh 9y ago
thank goodness - I have no idea how I'd run m remotely.
- TheCoreh 9y ago
  the new, secure replacement, sm
  - chungy 9y ago
    Seems a bit constricting.
  - cperciva 9y ago
    No, we use the BSD version of that... bsdm.
    - happycube 9y ago
      The requirement to use SNMP with that always put me off.
DonHopkins 9y ago
They did a cost benefit analysis, and it turns out that it's actually cheaper to buy new disk drives than to pay someone by the hour to remove files, so rm was just not worth it any more.

JdeBP 9y ago

My immediate reaction was based upon actually reading the headlined message, which lists all 8 commands explicitly. Of course, it has been long known, pretty much since the birth of SSH in fact, that these commands are not the general purpose tools that they were originally designed to be and that their general purpose use is problematic. So my immediate reaction was also based upon knowing exactly what the problem being addressed was, in fairness. There's a litmus test for determining the people who have read the headlined message, by the way. They will be the people who know that the commands are in ports, because the deprecation notice explicitly states where in ports they are to be found; who know where to find the manual pages, because the deprecation notice is a patch to the manual pages; and who mention "ruptime" and "rwho". (-:

VLM 9y ago
I am going to miss ruptime as a troubleshooting tool. Sure I can check a web based monitoring tool; its only 100 times slower than typing "ruptime" at any CLI I'm logged into. Most of modern progress revolves around making things slower and less productive, in general. zabbix-cli seems focused on CLI based provisioning of Zabbix. Maybe with a couple minutes effort I could make a very short perl script that massages the output of a wget against a zabbix monitoring server URL to output something kind like ruptime. I could name it zuptime. Ahhh progress. Adding another line to the common role of my ansible commands to pkg install bsdrcmds is annoying but not a terribly high bar. I kind of like the debian way of splitting out into rwho package and so forth, because I don't want rlogin or rcp.

mnd999 9y ago

Rsync was never in the base system afaik - it's in ports though.