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Taxi drivers in my European country are subject to some requirements that make a lot of sense and help keep people safe. I've user Uber a lot and it's great but

Taxi drivers in my European country are subject to some requirements that make a lot of sense and help keep people safe. I've user Uber a lot and it's great but anything to up the quality of drivers is good. I've been down one way streets multiple times in Uber's, I've been in multiple near-misses, I've never had these things happen to me in taxi's. Not all taxi drivers are great either but the even the bad ones are better than the average Uber driver. Obviously this is all city specific but I think a valid counter point to the 'unnecessary regulation' argument at least where I live.

fiatjaf 9y ago
So use taxi, if you like it so much. Keeping people "safe" against their will and with money from their own pockets is evil, to say the least.
- izacus 9y ago
  EU countries are democratic. It's not against people's will.
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  - fiatjaf 9y ago
    That is the craziest statement I've ever read.
  - IncRnd 9y ago
    Your comment highlights the notable problem with democracies. Unfortunately, there isn't much better.
fpgaminer 9y ago
> I've been down one way streets multiple times in Uber's, I've been in multiple near-misses What exactly is it about a taxi license that would affect that behavior? And shouldn't those regulations apply to _every_ driver?
stale2002 9y ago
If you really believe this, then why not let consumers decide for themselves which transportation services that they want to use? If all these rules and regulations are so awesome, then consumers will overwhelming choose to buy from companies that follow them. Thats how markets work.
- Veratyr 9y ago
  Because individuals won't make decisions that benefit society as a whole. They'll make decisions that benefit themselves and themselves alone. People will simply use whatever's cheapest and easiest without much thought into anything else.
  - CamperBob2 9y ago
    So, all I have to do to impose my will on you is to insist, backed by little to no evidence, that highly-regulated taxis "benefit society" more than less-regulated rideshare services do. Correct? It seems that the people who determine what does and does not "benefit society" have a significant amount of unwarranted power. If this weren't true, we wouldn't be seeing cases like this one where the people -- the same ones that supposedly make up the democracy in question -- insist on using unauthorized/illegal rideshare services. If your response to my reasoning is, "Well, it's a democracy after all, they're getting what they voted for," then the contradiction is too obvious to bother pointing out.
    - Veratyr 9y ago
      My point was intended more as a general one, that you can't simply assume what the market chooses is actually the best choice, as individual market participants have different priorities to the collective. > So, all I have to do to impose my will on you is to insist, backed by little to no evidence, that highly-regulated taxis "benefit society" more than less-regulated rideshare services do. Correct? No, the regulations predate Uber. Uber needs to either change the law through lobbying or adhere to it. > It seems that the people who determine what does and does not "benefit society" have a significant amount of unwarranted power. If this weren't true, we wouldn't be seeing cases like this one where the people -- the same ones that supposedly make up the democracy in question -- insist on using unauthorized/illegal rideshare services. > If your response to my reasoning is, "Well, it's a democracy after all, they're getting what they voted for," then the contradiction is too obvious to bother pointing out. What we have isn't democracy, it's representative democracy, which addresses exactly the problem I was originally making. The masses can't be expected to make informed decisions on everything that concerns them, so they elect a few people who can on their behalf. When an average person decides Uber vs. Taxi, in the 10s or so they spend thinking about it, they're not considering the impact it'll have on the local economy, the safety features of the vehicle, the qualifications the driver is required to have or the regulations they're required to adhere to. All your average person thinks about is that the Uber app is already on their phone, the car will arrive quickly and in the grand scheme of things, the likelihood of something bad happening is small. Elected representatives will listen to experts, consider the wider impacts of their decision and do their best to make a decision that benefits their constituents. Sometimes that decision will conflict with what their constituents would choose themselves.

fiatjaf 9y ago

So use taxi, if you like it so much. Keeping people "safe" against their will and with money from their own pockets is evil, to say the least.

izacus 9y ago
EU countries are democratic. It's not against people's will.
- deleted 9y ago
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- fiatjaf 9y ago
  That is the craziest statement I've ever read.
- IncRnd 9y ago
  Your comment highlights the notable problem with democracies. Unfortunately, there isn't much better.

fpgaminer 9y ago

> I've been down one way streets multiple times in Uber's, I've been in multiple near-misses What exactly is it about a taxi license that would affect that behavior? And shouldn't those regulations apply to _every_ driver?

stale2002 9y ago

If you really believe this, then why not let consumers decide for themselves which transportation services that they want to use? If all these rules and regulations are so awesome, then consumers will overwhelming choose to buy from companies that follow them. Thats how markets work.

Veratyr 9y ago
Because individuals won't make decisions that benefit society as a whole. They'll make decisions that benefit themselves and themselves alone. People will simply use whatever's cheapest and easiest without much thought into anything else.
- CamperBob2 9y ago
  So, all I have to do to impose my will on you is to insist, backed by little to no evidence, that highly-regulated taxis "benefit society" more than less-regulated rideshare services do. Correct? It seems that the people who determine what does and does not "benefit society" have a significant amount of unwarranted power. If this weren't true, we wouldn't be seeing cases like this one where the people -- the same ones that supposedly make up the democracy in question -- insist on using unauthorized/illegal rideshare services. If your response to my reasoning is, "Well, it's a democracy after all, they're getting what they voted for," then the contradiction is too obvious to bother pointing out.
  - Veratyr 9y ago
    My point was intended more as a general one, that you can't simply assume what the market chooses is actually the best choice, as individual market participants have different priorities to the collective. > So, all I have to do to impose my will on you is to insist, backed by little to no evidence, that highly-regulated taxis "benefit society" more than less-regulated rideshare services do. Correct? No, the regulations predate Uber. Uber needs to either change the law through lobbying or adhere to it. > It seems that the people who determine what does and does not "benefit society" have a significant amount of unwarranted power. If this weren't true, we wouldn't be seeing cases like this one where the people -- the same ones that supposedly make up the democracy in question -- insist on using unauthorized/illegal rideshare services. > If your response to my reasoning is, "Well, it's a democracy after all, they're getting what they voted for," then the contradiction is too obvious to bother pointing out. What we have isn't democracy, it's representative democracy, which addresses exactly the problem I was originally making. The masses can't be expected to make informed decisions on everything that concerns them, so they elect a few people who can on their behalf. When an average person decides Uber vs. Taxi, in the 10s or so they spend thinking about it, they're not considering the impact it'll have on the local economy, the safety features of the vehicle, the qualifications the driver is required to have or the regulations they're required to adhere to. All your average person thinks about is that the Uber app is already on their phone, the car will arrive quickly and in the grand scheme of things, the likelihood of something bad happening is small. Elected representatives will listen to experts, consider the wider impacts of their decision and do their best to make a decision that benefits their constituents. Sometimes that decision will conflict with what their constituents would choose themselves.