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What are you talking about? Virtually every major publisher has an app that they try to herd users into. As do many if not most social news sites. Was your que

What are you talking about? Virtually every major publisher has an app that they try to herd users into. As do many if not most social news sites. Was your question satirical, or have you just been asleep for a decade? Given the nonsensical beginning to your comment, the rest just seems like farce. Another big anti-AMP person is John Gruber and your comment reminded me of him -- He'll effortlessly go from advocating why iOS apps aren't anti-web, because they're still hand-wavy using web services or something, and then go on a diatribe about AMP. It's quite a delightful bit of mental flexibility.

manigandham 9y ago
Having an app available is not "abandoning the web" - which is what you claimed. I've worked with all the major publishers and their biggest focus is always their own websites. And if you can't even finish a comment that replies to exactly what you wrote then what are you doing talking about the "level of discourse" on HN?
- endorphone 9y ago
  Abandoning meaning not basing their electronic presence on it. No one wants to be just a website, except for maybe Metacritic. Everyone wants to be an app. what are you even doing talking about the "level of discourse" on HN? A recurring set of alternative facts rise to the top of every discussion on AMP, and my post that questioned it sits at -5. It seems laughable to now demand that I rise above -- I just find it funny.
  - manigandham 9y ago
    > No one wants to be just a website, except for maybe Metacritic. Everyone wants to be an app. No major publisher wants to be an app. It's reasonable to have one available for the few users who want it but that's it. Apps don't have enough usage, have lower ad rates and take far more work to maintain for very few, if any, advantages. The apps hype cycle has played out, most users spend 80%+ time on just 5 major apps, which are email, messaging and social platforms which link to content using in-app browsers, so if anything the websites are even more important than before. And any complex service like Yelp or ecommerce was never a use-case for AMP pages anyway so that doesn't apply here.
    - endorphone 9y ago
      No major publisher wants to be an app Every action says that this is a very wrong assumption. In an era of OS-provided ad and tracking blockers, the desire to appify is greater than ever. Now we have Android Instant Apps and the almost certain appearance of the iOS alternative. and social platforms which link to content using in-app browsers Facebook once opened links in an external browser. Then they actually wrapped Webkit and started coddling it in a built-in browser. And now they're heavily favoring content that is pushed as Instant Article content. There are only so many times that a user can be attacked from malicious websites before the people who send you there start to get wise.
      - manigandham 9y ago
        It's not an assumption, I work with all the major publishers and their executives. Apps are secondary efforts at best and do not approach anywhere near the amount of engagement of their websites. IA is Facebook's attempt at keeping people on their own platform, similar to AMP's primary focus, and it also does not have as much uptake as it might seem. Other than that, a browser is a browser and opening a publications website is the vast majority of traffic, and consequently where the vast majority of effort is dedicated.

manigandham 9y ago

Having an app available is not "abandoning the web" - which is what you claimed. I've worked with all the major publishers and their biggest focus is always their own websites. And if you can't even finish a comment that replies to exactly what you wrote then what are you doing talking about the "level of discourse" on HN?

endorphone 9y ago
Abandoning meaning not basing their electronic presence on it. No one wants to be just a website, except for maybe Metacritic. Everyone wants to be an app. what are you even doing talking about the "level of discourse" on HN? A recurring set of alternative facts rise to the top of every discussion on AMP, and my post that questioned it sits at -5. It seems laughable to now demand that I rise above -- I just find it funny.
- manigandham 9y ago
  > No one wants to be just a website, except for maybe Metacritic. Everyone wants to be an app. No major publisher wants to be an app. It's reasonable to have one available for the few users who want it but that's it. Apps don't have enough usage, have lower ad rates and take far more work to maintain for very few, if any, advantages. The apps hype cycle has played out, most users spend 80%+ time on just 5 major apps, which are email, messaging and social platforms which link to content using in-app browsers, so if anything the websites are even more important than before. And any complex service like Yelp or ecommerce was never a use-case for AMP pages anyway so that doesn't apply here.
  - endorphone 9y ago
    No major publisher wants to be an app Every action says that this is a very wrong assumption. In an era of OS-provided ad and tracking blockers, the desire to appify is greater than ever. Now we have Android Instant Apps and the almost certain appearance of the iOS alternative. and social platforms which link to content using in-app browsers Facebook once opened links in an external browser. Then they actually wrapped Webkit and started coddling it in a built-in browser. And now they're heavily favoring content that is pushed as Instant Article content. There are only so many times that a user can be attacked from malicious websites before the people who send you there start to get wise.
    - manigandham 9y ago
      It's not an assumption, I work with all the major publishers and their executives. Apps are secondary efforts at best and do not approach anywhere near the amount of engagement of their websites. IA is Facebook's attempt at keeping people on their own platform, similar to AMP's primary focus, and it also does not have as much uptake as it might seem. Other than that, a browser is a browser and opening a publications website is the vast majority of traffic, and consequently where the vast majority of effort is dedicated.