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Sandboxed installation would encourage app usage a lot, so I second the idea. Here are some others a) Microsoft seems to be the only one selling dev tools at th

by dman 16y ago

Sandboxed installation would encourage app usage a lot, so I second the idea. Here are some others a) Microsoft seems to be the only one selling dev tools at this point. Releasing free versions of visual studio for developers would be great. b) Have something like synaptic/ports which allows developers / users to easily install apps / libraries with dependency resolution. c) Rethink their backward compatibility model. There is a business line of business that requires backward compatibility back to 1990, and theres a consumer line that doesnt care much about it. Right now the business line and the consumer line both hold each other back. eg business user - why do i need a graphics card to fully use new windows versions. d) Leverage integration between the OS and their online services. I think they can do this safely now without fear of antitrust issues now given google and apples sizes

jra101 16y ago
Microsoft already has free versions of Visual Studio, there are Express versions for C#, C++, VB.NET, etc...
- pmjordan 16y ago
  Moreover, even the grown-up VS is free for many students (and cheap for the rest), and with BizSpark they have a discount for startups too. I don't think dev tools are Microsoft's problem right now.
- dman 16y ago
  I did know about the express versions, but in 2010 I do not want to track feature matrices for dev tools (http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products). Some things like test driven development and source version control are not enterprise features anymore imo, theyre required. My earlier post was not clear about this, sorry about that. Developing software today typically requires downloading a framework or two, checkout out code from github, code.google.com etc. Often to start developing using a particular framework foo on ubuntu requires just "apt-get install foo", on windows it still involves 1990s style chasing of dependencies. In retrospect all the features that I ask for matter mostly to developers so there is definitely a bias in what I am saying.
  - cturner 16y ago
    I did know about the express versions, but in 2010 I do not want to track feature matrices for dev tools That is very well put. Exactly.
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bad_user 16y ago
> There is a business line of business that requires backward compatibility back to 1990, and theres a consumer line that doesnt care much about it. What are you talking about? One of the things I like about Windows is that I can still run CorelDraw9 on it, for which I payed a lot of money when I bought. Surely you could point to the success OS X has for consumers (which breaks compatibility every 2 years), but its tiny market share speaks for itself.

by dman 16y ago

jra101 16y ago

Microsoft already has free versions of Visual Studio, there are Express versions for C#, C++, VB.NET, etc...

pmjordan 16y ago
Moreover, even the grown-up VS is free for many students (and cheap for the rest), and with BizSpark they have a discount for startups too. I don't think dev tools are Microsoft's problem right now.
dman 16y ago
I did know about the express versions, but in 2010 I do not want to track feature matrices for dev tools (http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products). Some things like test driven development and source version control are not enterprise features anymore imo, theyre required. My earlier post was not clear about this, sorry about that. Developing software today typically requires downloading a framework or two, checkout out code from github, code.google.com etc. Often to start developing using a particular framework foo on ubuntu requires just "apt-get install foo", on windows it still involves 1990s style chasing of dependencies. In retrospect all the features that I ask for matter mostly to developers so there is definitely a bias in what I am saying.
- cturner 16y ago
  I did know about the express versions, but in 2010 I do not want to track feature matrices for dev tools That is very well put. Exactly.

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bad_user 16y ago

> There is a business line of business that requires backward compatibility back to 1990, and theres a consumer line that doesnt care much about it. What are you talking about? One of the things I like about Windows is that I can still run CorelDraw9 on it, for which I payed a lot of money when I bought. Surely you could point to the success OS X has for consumers (which breaks compatibility every 2 years), but its tiny market share speaks for itself.