> internal (Oracle cloud) What gives you this confidence? What kind of Java applications do you expect to run on Oracle could because they seem to target none

> internal (Oracle cloud) What gives you this confidence? What kind of Java applications do you expect to run on Oracle could because they seem to target none of the existing ones? I don't see how Jigsaw can help existing Java applications with Oracle could: They seem to be assuming nobody will use JAXB or activation either directly or indirectly because that will force you to deploy the full java.desktop module with all Swing PLAFs and everything including sound. They seem to be completely fine with this and do not seem to want to spend any time on splitting up java.desktop, having at least a headless version java.desktop or improving JAXB so that it doesn't depend on java.desktop anymore. They seem to not care about existing Java EE APIs at all and have posted no replacements. They seem oblivious to any needs of any dependency injection container (Spring, Guice, …). Jigsaw only helps with disk footprint. It does not help with runtime footprint (which is usually several times larger than disk footprint) or startup time, if anything it makes both of them worse.