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> But I don't understand how the question "what is the purpose of X" can be anything but philosophical. Again, my guess is that this depends on how much we kno
by graycat 9y ago
> But I don't understand how the question "what is the purpose of X" can be anything but philosophical.
Again, my guess is that this depends on how much we know. Or, there about has to be a purpose. And eventually as we learn more there should be some clues about what that purpose is. So I'm wondering if we know that much yet?
A first little clue is the speed of light speed limit that so far seems to say that we are quite isolated from the rest of the universe. So, somehow having us isolated was deliberate. Then, what might be the purpose of having us so isolated?
Then there's the 3 K background radiation. That's one heck of a clue. What might be the reason for giving us such data? To answer, what can we do with it? If we note what we can do with the 3 K data and that seems really special, e.g., we wouldn't be able to do that without the 3 K data, then what is so special we can do with the 3 K data might be a clue for the purpose of letting us have that data.
There's the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. So, it keeps us from being as in an 1890 view of physics, mechanistic. We are stopped at that level by some dice rolling. So, why? When we see how that stops us, we might get a clue of a purpose.
All of that is very thin stuff, but maybe we are on the way to discovering enough to start to conclude what the purpose is.
One point is our existence and our abilities: First cut, how the heck to look at the basic physics and guess the chemistry, then, especially the biology, and, astounding, how the biology developed into us. That's some amazing laws of physics that let that happen, maybe ensured that it would happen. So, what the heck is the purpose of us being here, our existing? That is, we're the most special and amazing thing we know of in the universe. So, if there is a purpose, then it looks like we are a key part of it. So, just what the heck might be what we are to do with our abilities to understand the universe? Then, do we get a hint of the purpose from what we can do? That is, is the purpose the special stuff we can, or will be able, to do? For that if we look ahead, just how much might we be able to do? Build Dyson spheres? Okay, then what would that enable?
We don't see other planets flashing light signals at us from
their Dyson spheres. So, why not? Sure: There are other, better forms of long distance communications, and every planet with a Dyson sphere knows this. So, soon we should discover this better means of communications. So, where the heck to look for those better means. Then when we find them, what would that enable us to do in the universe that would be special? Communicate only? Or both communicate and travel? Or, if long distance travel is possible, then why ever bother to travel; just send robots and have them send back the communications so we can view it. Then does that communications give us a clue about a purpose; that is, suppose we could send robots and they would communicate back; what might we discover that begins to suggest a purpose.
Or, generally, as a meta argument, if we find some things that look really, really special that finally, with our development, we can do that seem to impact, explain, discover, reveal the universe, then maybe our doing that is the purpose of the universe.
I fully agree this is very thin stuff. Still I have to suspect that as we learn more, maybe 1 million years from now, we will begin to guess at a purpose.
Or, if there is no purpose, then this is one heck of a big show for nothing!
- cyphar 9y ago> Or, there about has to be a purpose. Why does there have to be a purpose? The rest of your post is discussing philosophy, but I'll indulge anyway. > A first little clue is the speed of light speed limit that so far seems to say that we are quite isolated from the rest of the universe. So, somehow having us isolated was deliberate. What makes you think it was deliberate? The derivation of the speed of light comes directly from Maxwell's equations (which just describe how electric and magnetic fields interact). Relativity further extends that idea by "simply" noticing that the propagation of light can only work if the waves travel at the speed of light relative to the observer. Thus all light must be travelling at the same speed no matter the speed of the observer, which gives you the entirety of special relativity (that predicts that no information can propagate faster than the speed of light). I'm not sure which part of the above you could claim is deliberate. We live in a local universe (it takes time for information to travel) and thus light must have a speed. It doesn't actually matter what the speed of light is, the same derivation would apply as long as the speed is finite. Are you saying that the fact that our universe is local is deliberate? > Then there's the 3 K background radiation. That's one heck of a clue. What might be the reason for giving us such data? What makes you think it's data? It's literally just the echo of the big bang and comes from the random thermal motion in the "early days" of the big bang. The reason it's 3K is that it has been cooling since the big bang and that's the temperature it happens to be today. If it were any other temperature, would that also be a clue? > There's the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. [...] We are stopped at that level by some dice rolling. Quantum mechanics isn't dice rolling. It is true that there cannot be a local hidden-variables theory of QM, but QM still has incredible predictive power when discussing the probabilities of experiments. It is possible in the future that a non-probabilistic view of QM will emerge, it just cannot be both hidden-variables and local. > So, what the heck is the purpose of us being here, our existing? That is, we're the most special and amazing thing we know of in the universe. If ants could think, they would probably think they're the most amazing thing they know of in the universe. The only reason we think we're so amazing is because we have no competitor to compare to. > Or, if there is no purpose, then this is one heck of a big show for nothing! I don't think that life has an intrinsic purpose. In particular, it personally feels very selfish to claim that my existence is somehow meaningful to something as enormous as the universe. It just feels like unjustified hubris.