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>This change fixes an internal inconsistency I agree that it does! "ß" turning into "SS" when uppercasing is awful. >It feels like replying to some bugfix in,
by faho 9y ago
>This change fixes an internal inconsistency
I agree that it does! "ß" turning into "SS" when uppercasing is awful.
>It feels like replying to some bugfix in, say, Ruby with something like "I never liked Ruby anyhow".
In this analogy, "Ruby" would be the German language. And in that case... yes, I can disagree with a bugfix if it makes matters more complicated! I can argue that something is a misfeature, like ß is. Removing it would improve the situation, especially from a technological viewpoint.
>German's not English, even though you might prefer if it was
That's kind of a low blow. "ß" is not a defining feature of the German language.
- ainar-g 9y ago>"ß" is not a defining feature of the German language. It is though. As a language-lover and German-learner, AFAIK, no other language uses this letter. "ß", along with less exclusive "ä", "ö", and "ü" are what distinguishes German orthography from other languages.
- TulliusCicero 9y agoEnglish seems to manage okay with no 'special' latin characters.
- qu4z-2 9y agoWhat a coincidence that English manages fine with just the letters in ASCII. Seriously though, what definition of "special Latin characters" are you using? Italian does just fine with fewer...
- thaumasiotes 9y agoG, J, K, U, W, Y, and Z are all characters that aren't used in Latin (in the case of G, J, U, and W, because they didn't exist; in the case of Y, it is used in Greek words but doesn't represent a sound that's possible in Latin; I'm not sure if Z was used in Greek words or not. K is just a Greek letter -- since it represents the sound written with C in Latin, it is never used at all).
- cronjobber 9y agoSure about the G?
- Tepix 9y agoHardly. See https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Iulius_Caesar https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Iulius_Caesar
- thaumasiotes 9y agoLatin wikipedia isn't exactly an ancient source. Without bothering to read the article, why do you think it has a subhead of "Fontes_de_vita_C._Iulii_Caesaris_praecipui"?
- cronjobber 9y agoI'll take this cum cranulo salis.
- thaumasiotes 9y agoYou think "cum granulo salis" is evidence for G being an original part of the Latin alphabet, while not being evidence that U was an original part of the Latin alphabet?
- cronjobber 9y agoSure, G wasn't "originally" part of the Latin alphabet—until they invented that letter.
- thaumasiotes 9y agoWhat do you think makes G different from J and U in that regard?
- codeflo 9y agoWhat do you mean by "special"? If you mean "can be encoded in US-ASCII", then that's a bit circular, because that character set was obviously designed to encode the English language. In a parallel universe where the ancient Romans had designed a character set, it would be the English language that would require all those weird unicode characters like "J" and "U" (which didn't exist in the Roman alphabet).
- TulliusCicero 9y agoI meant that at least AFAIK all the English characters exist in several languages. No special tics or dots that are unique or very unusual.
- CrystalLangUser 9y ago> tics or dots that are unique or very unusual It's almost like a lot of languages have a shared ancestry. Differences may be unusual to you. Are ș, î, or ț unusual because they don't exist in English? Those phonemes aren't common in English which is why we don't have distinctions for them, but they're important in Romanian. Not unusual at all if you're Romanian. By your logic, 대한민국 characters are weird and unusual also, and so on...
- TulliusCicero 9y agoYes, hangul is unusual, because there's only one language that uses it. Duh. Latin characters are less unusual because tons of languages use them. I'm not sure why this is difficult to grasp.
- Tepix 9y agoTons of languages use é, ø, and other accents so they are "normal" by your definition.
- Tomte 9y agoExcept "café"
- petre 9y agoYou haven't seen Old English then. https://www.omniglot.com/images/langsamples/smp_oldenglish.gif https://www.omniglot.com/images/langsamples/smp_oldenglish.g...
- TulliusCicero 9y agoYes, but that's not modern English.
- pluma 9y agoWhen I think "weird special English letter" I think Œ, as in fœtus. Granted, in American English it has been eliminated almost completely and even in British English it's now often seen as a bit archæic (pardon the pun) but it's still there and to me signifies "English" just as ß signifies "German", ø signifies "Nordic", ı signifies "Turkish" and é signifies "French".