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What about Django makes you feel it is the better framework? It's a great singular package, but basically everything in it is done better somewhere else. I'd ta

What about Django makes you feel it is the better framework? It's a great singular package, but basically everything in it is done better somewhere else. I'd take Flask's templates over Django's any day and Peewee or SQLA over Django's ORM as well. I never liked regexs for routing and as I've gotten older and liked regexs more, still don't like that approach - Flask's approach is better. Django is nice for beginners cause you can say "learn this" and they've got a bunch of books and docs to go through, but having watched Django evolve over the last decade, it hasn't really changed from it's stable but boring and does nothing best manner. They're both kind of dead tech anyway given enough time. Python isn't the best choice for today's websites. That being said, don't know what language/framework is the right thing to push on a beginner.

sametmax 9y ago
Integration, documentation and ecosystem. And together, weight heavily in the balance.
- ris 9y ago
  This. If I tell someone to go away and write me a project in flask or a project in django, provided they "go with the flow", the django one will almost always be nicer. A sensible `manage.py` interface. Apps that can be built to be installable, read-only python packages rather than "here's a project repo, clone it, cd into it and run ./godknows.py". It is of course possible to design such a project in flask, but it takes some work. The gravity is strongly towards "I am the world" projects. I've also been very surprised at how much less community support there seems to be for flask. Googling/StackOverflow-ing an issue has tended to get me significantly fewer results, and of those results I do get far fewer of them seem to have (sensible) answers. In the django world there is a much broader coverage of generally-accepted sensible ways of doing slightly obscure things.
  - sametmax 9y ago
    Being opinionated is a feature. It's just a feature that not all people agree on. But it is one, since it gives all the user a common ground to build tooling, write doc or tutorials and organize things. This is a side effect of the FOSS community. We (I, included) believe we should have choice, diversity, openness, flexibility. We see only the good things in those. And it's easy to forget how much having one place to start and a clear direction to go to can help.

sametmax 9y ago

Integration, documentation and ecosystem. And together, weight heavily in the balance.

ris 9y ago
This. If I tell someone to go away and write me a project in flask or a project in django, provided they "go with the flow", the django one will almost always be nicer. A sensible `manage.py` interface. Apps that can be built to be installable, read-only python packages rather than "here's a project repo, clone it, cd into it and run ./godknows.py". It is of course possible to design such a project in flask, but it takes some work. The gravity is strongly towards "I am the world" projects. I've also been very surprised at how much less community support there seems to be for flask. Googling/StackOverflow-ing an issue has tended to get me significantly fewer results, and of those results I do get far fewer of them seem to have (sensible) answers. In the django world there is a much broader coverage of generally-accepted sensible ways of doing slightly obscure things.
- sametmax 9y ago
  Being opinionated is a feature. It's just a feature that not all people agree on. But it is one, since it gives all the user a common ground to build tooling, write doc or tutorials and organize things. This is a side effect of the FOSS community. We (I, included) believe we should have choice, diversity, openness, flexibility. We see only the good things in those. And it's easy to forget how much having one place to start and a clear direction to go to can help.