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The core argument amounts to: -- quote -- "The core of the problem has not been self-discipline or a lack of opportunity," Karelis says. "My argument is that
by sridharvembu 16y ago
The core argument amounts to:
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"The core of the problem has not been self-discipline or a lack of opportunity," Karelis says. "My argument is that the cause of poverty has been poverty."
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Being Indian, I have spent a lot of time observing and thinking about poverty from childhood, and in recent years, doing something about it. I believe he has hit the nail on the head with his analysis of the problem, yet I completely disagree with his solution, which is negative income tax i.e direct government cash to the poor.
Here is where I believe he is right. Poverty is a "phase transition" effect: there is a point of being too-poor below which you lose all motivation to better yourself, not only because there are too many problems but also because those problems are all interlinked, so solving just one feels utterly pointless. Spend time in any very poor neighborhood and you will see this. That poverty threshold would be different for different people, and you can aggregate these thresholds for a distinctly identifiable group to come up with a "group poverty threshold", which itself is a function of the group's history and culture. Once you are below that threshold, poverty is very hard to escape. You can state that as "poverty is the cause of poverty."
Yet, I also completely disagree with his solution - direct cash grant from the government. To prove the absurdity of it, imagine this on a global scale. Is the solution to Indian poverty then massive transfer of resources from the rich world?
So what is the solution then? Here is a sketch: the trouble is there are so many interlinked problems it is not even clear where to start. It is utterly chaotic. To overcome it, first create a very small "Zone of Order" (one room, one household, one neighborhood, one small company, one city ... whatever) where you establish clear, orderly systems. China called this the "Special Economic Zone" which they modeled by taking advice from Hong Kong and Taiwan businessmen.
Once you prove that working, scale it up. You have to bootstrap from that "Zone of Order", however small that is. At a personal level, it could be just one small corner of your shack or one hour a day of order, and for a country like India, it could be one city.
You can generalize this principle: the solution to any self-referential problem ("poverty is the cause of poverty") is bootstrapping from a very small seed. In fact, I believe most intractable problems are self-referential.
On a related note, read about "Charter Cities" http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-politically-incorrect-guide-to-ending-poverty/8134/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-poli...
- stcredzero 16y agoSo what is the solution then? Here is a sketch: the trouble is there are so many interlinked problems it is not even clear where to start. It is utterly chaotic. To overcome it, first create a very small "Zone of Order" (one room, one household, one neighborhood, one small company, one city ... whatever) where you establish clear, orderly systems. China called this the "Special Economic Zone" which they modeled by taking advice from Hong Kong and Taiwan businessmen. The demoralization of poverty is very similar to the malaise of personal disorganization and clutter. The solution is also very similar! I think this can also apply to the rehabilitation of a badly maintained code base!
- mikecane 16y agoIt's not simply a lack of money. Americans were poor for a long time and yet progressed. It's the poison of being surrounded by people who don't wish to progress for whatever reason: it threatens their place in the hierarchy, they lose control, it creates fear in them, they have self-doubt, they are envious of others, etc. Individuals can be plucked out of that environment and be given hopeful surroundings in which to progress. But any individual who doesn't want to change won't change despite all the help they're given. Try getting someone to give up drink or drugs when they don't want to despite the self- and other- harm they are creating. It's like that.
- mikecane 16y agoI give all of you Cheryl Taggart: http://mikecane.tumblr.com/post/746571170/cheryl-taggart http://mikecane.tumblr.com/post/746571170/cheryl-taggart
- wisty 16y agoThe real problem isn't that people are poor (they lack money), but that people are broke (they have debts they can't clear). Those debts can be actual money owed or other essential expenses (i.e. insurance, repairs, education, etc). Once you are broke, then paying off your power bill won't make a big difference, because you will still have to fight off the credit card company ... and you will still be broke. Think of it in terms of a GPA. If your GPA is 1.5 (poor), you still have an incentive to work hard and raise it to 2.0. But if your GPA is 0.3 (broke), then even if you work hard you still won't pass. So why bother? People do drop out for other reasons (drug issues, mental health, and so on) but the article raises a very important point - people drop out when they are broke and can't make ends meet (in the near future) even if they work hard.