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I’ve been in this situation. You should leave and get a pay raise that way. Next time when aiming for a promo remember that results alone won’t get you there. Y

by 0xbear 9y ago

I’ve been in this situation. You should leave and get a pay raise that way. Next time when aiming for a promo remember that results alone won’t get you there. You have to fiercely and constantly beat your chest about your achievements, and “show leadership”, and once you become perceived as valuable, diplomatically let management know that you have much better gigs lined up. It sucks, and I wish it wasn’t this way, but that’s how it is. That said, by far the most efficient way to progress in your career is to not let your employers take you for granted by changing jobs every 2 years or so unless things are seriously on fire. Another bit of advice: do not work much more than 40 hours a week on a sustained basis. Over my 20 year career I have observed negative correlation between that and promotions.

Clubber 9y ago
>Another bit of advice: do not work much more than 40 hours a week on a sustained basis. Over my 20 year career I have observed negative correlation between that and promotions. Isn't that a strange twist of human nature in the US workplace? The harder you work, the less respected you are. It's absolutely true though.
- 0xbear 9y ago
  People who work 70 hours a week on a sustained basis are just bad at saying "no". Not saying "no" often is the surest way I know of to disappoint all those people you're saying "yes" to. People's attention span to things that are peripheral to them is very short, so no amount of commitment is ever enough, and you have to deliver (most of) the things you have signed up for. You can't do that if you bite of more than you can chew. You _can_ do that if you manage your time properly and say "no" often. That way you have some slack to recover if things go wrong, and deliver on your commitments.
  - qb45 9y ago
    ... and even if you deliver 100% of your 175% commitment, I have a somewhat dark and cynical hypothesis that the manager may secretly feel guilty about overworking you and resolve this guilt by downplaying your achievements. Merely feeling or behaving like a doormat for no reason will make many people around uneasy. Any situation that shows you somehow deserve it, relieves them. If they aren't self-aware enough to recognize this, congratulations, you are training them to exploit you.
- pacifika 9y ago
  I suppose working longer doesn't mean working harder. And it could set a bad example to colleagues who feel they now have to work longer. This then causes bad morale, and if you're seen as causing bad morale then perhaps a promotion won't happen. Start looking out for people. Think of the group rather than yourself.

by 0xbear 9y ago

Clubber 9y ago

>Another bit of advice: do not work much more than 40 hours a week on a sustained basis. Over my 20 year career I have observed negative correlation between that and promotions. Isn't that a strange twist of human nature in the US workplace? The harder you work, the less respected you are. It's absolutely true though.

0xbear 9y ago
People who work 70 hours a week on a sustained basis are just bad at saying "no". Not saying "no" often is the surest way I know of to disappoint all those people you're saying "yes" to. People's attention span to things that are peripheral to them is very short, so no amount of commitment is ever enough, and you have to deliver (most of) the things you have signed up for. You can't do that if you bite of more than you can chew. You _can_ do that if you manage your time properly and say "no" often. That way you have some slack to recover if things go wrong, and deliver on your commitments.
- qb45 9y ago
  ... and even if you deliver 100% of your 175% commitment, I have a somewhat dark and cynical hypothesis that the manager may secretly feel guilty about overworking you and resolve this guilt by downplaying your achievements. Merely feeling or behaving like a doormat for no reason will make many people around uneasy. Any situation that shows you somehow deserve it, relieves them. If they aren't self-aware enough to recognize this, congratulations, you are training them to exploit you.
pacifika 9y ago
I suppose working longer doesn't mean working harder. And it could set a bad example to colleagues who feel they now have to work longer. This then causes bad morale, and if you're seen as causing bad morale then perhaps a promotion won't happen. Start looking out for people. Think of the group rather than yourself.