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How about their dedicated emoji bar instead of control keys?
by nickpeterson 9y ago
How about their dedicated emoji bar instead of control keys?
- threeseed 9y ago1. It's not a dedicated emoji bar. 2. You can set it to permanently show control keys. 3. It's optional. You can buy the model without it. 4. Some of us actually like it. I use IntelliJ every day and it's great to be able to have dedicated refactor/debug keys instead of having to remember arcane key commands.
- JoshTriplett 9y ago> 2. You can set it to permanently show control keys. You can set it to permanently show images of control keys, on a flat surface. If I wanted a tablet I'd buy a tablet; keys have boundaries between them, push down and spring up, and otherwise respond to fingers in ways that a tablet doesn't.
- snewk 9y agoare you so upset by point 2 that you forgot point 3? some people seem to think that apple is in the business of personally catering to their every whim. i totally get why you wouldn’t like the touch bar, but you don’t have to buy that model. in fact, you don’t have to buy a macbook at all. it’s also pretty astonishing to me how many people vehemently hate this thing they’ve never even tried to use.
- tfcata 9y agoThere is no such an option for the 15-inch model. In fact, the 13-inch model that doesn't come with this bar is the lower-end one. If it is genuinely an 'option', every model should come with a variant without this bar.
- nickpeterson 9y agoOh, I didn't know I could get a 15" MacBook without one, nice to know.
- abrowne 9y agoEven for the 13-inch, the two models aren't remotely similar outside the outer case. The one without the touchbar is really more like a MacBook Air with a 15W CPU.
- threeseed 9y agoSame display, same memory, same CPU class, same SSD technology, same ports, same keyboard, same WiFi/BT, same camera, same battery and battery life: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ And for more money you can spec them identically.
- SyneRyder 9y agoDefinitely not the same ports. The 13" without the Touch Bar only has two Thunderbolt 3 ports, not the four that the Touch Bar edition has. And not the same CPUs. Max CPU speed without Touch Bar is 2.5Ghz, while the Touch Bar models begin at 3.1Ghz. Different GPUs as well: Iris Plus 640 v Iris Plus 650.
- ValentineC 9y agoThe wifi/BT chipset is different as well — the non-touchbar one is 2x2 MIMO and only goes up to 867Mbps. It's a downgrade: the pre-touchbar MacBook Pros (and the touchbar ones) have 3x3 MIMO wifi/BT chipsets.
- philliphaydon 9y agoUnsure if your comment is serious or not... I'm yet to meet a single person who likes the touch bar after 1 month.
- ff_ 9y agoNew macbook user since 5 months, I totally LOVE the touch bar. The only problem is the lack of ESC key really, but after you remap it to Caps Lock everything is good again.
- simonbarker87 9y agoOn mine I've noticed that the left over space on the far left edge responds like an escape key most of the time - see if it does for you
- dotancohen 9y agoHow do you remap it? Last I looked (when I was deciding whether or not to ditch CentOS for a Mac) swapping Esc and CapsLock on the Mac required third-party software and was a pain.
- cytzol 9y agoSince Sierra, you've been able to do it from within System Preferences, no hacks required!
- threeseed 9y agoI'm unsure if your comment is serious or not. How many Macbook Pro users have you surveyed ? And how do you think that compares to Apple who clearly did some product marketing work before adding a very expensive new feature.
- simonbarker87 9y ago7 months in, really like it. Much better than fixed keys.
- kalleboo 9y ago3. Not for the 15". And the 13" one is gimped (fewer ports, slower WiFi, etc)
- threeseed 9y agoSlower WiFi ? They both support the latest standard. https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/
- kalleboo 9y agoThat doesn't specify the speed. If you read a review, the non-touchbar one is rated at 867Mbps vs 1.3Gbps for the touchbar model. I'm presuming the difference is in MIMO modes (fewer antennas?) https://arstechnica.com/video/2016/11/the-2016-13-and-15-inch-touch-bar-macbook-pros-reviewed/ https://arstechnica.com/video/2016/11/the-2016-13-and-15-inc...
- ValentineC 9y agoYes, the non-touchbar MacBook Pro has a 2x2 MIMO wifi/Bluetooth chipset, while the touchbar one retains the 3x3 MIMO one from the older MacBook Pro.
- dzhiurgis 9y agoUseless, but keyboard itself is amazing. It's like 10 years ago when first MacBooks came out with chiclet keys, while all other manufacturers used previous design (most of them finally shifted to chiclet by now). Typing on a regular laptop now feels like masochism.
- FireBeyond 9y agoYeah, that's entirely subjective, both myself and my girlfriend _vastly_ prefer the keyboard on my XPS 9560 versus her Macbook.
- dzhiurgis 9y agoIf you comparing with The Original MacBook (12") then yeah, that keyboard sucks.
- MagnumOpus 9y agoChiclet is cheap. That is literally the only reason other manufacturers followed. As to your strange preferences, I cannot understand them. Buckling spring keyboards are far more tactile and I resent that I cannot get them on "premium" products any more.
- matt4077 9y agoIt's awesome. It finally makes keyboard shortcuts discoverable.
- zitterbewegung 9y agoYou mean the one that has a secure enclave for your fingerprint login? I probably will miss the function keys though, maybe they should make a non touchbar Mac with a touchid power button.
- NTripleOne 9y ago>a non touchbar Mac with a touchid power button. That would make too much sense, Apple haven't done sense for a while now - people have called Apple form over function for a long time except now it's actually true, at least WRT their laptops.