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It's surprising how no laptop manufacturer has managed to come up with a trackpad that comes close to being a decent competitor to Apple's. I'd love for a non-

It's surprising how no laptop manufacturer has managed to come up with a trackpad that comes close to being a decent competitor to Apple's. I'd love for a non-Apple laptop to have the (older) MacBook trackpad and keyboards — not the huge trackpads or butterfly switches that come with the current generation ones.

jdc0589 9y ago
the circa 2012 to 2015 keyboards and trackpads on MacBooks were PERFECT. the new keyboards feel like typing on a hard table top
- threeseed 9y ago
  You really do get used to it after a while and I am actually far more accurate on it than the 2015 MacBook Pro. Also might want to be clear which MacBook you are talking about. The 2017 model has the second generation keyboard which is significantly better than the 2016.
  - ValentineC 9y ago
    > The 2017 model has the second generation keyboard which is significantly better than the 2016. I thought both the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros had the second-generation butterfly switches. Wasn't the first iteration of the butterfly switch only in the first generation 12" MacBook (the one with one USB-C port)?
- interpol_p 9y ago
  I love the new keyboards. They feel so solid and strangely "direct" compared to the old ones (which now feel like typing on marshmallows by comparison). Same goes for the iPad Pro smart keyboard cover. The stability and "clickiness" of the keys outweighs the depth of travel for me.
vvanders 9y ago
I'd argue that the Surface Book is of the similar quality and the keyboard is certainly light-years ahead. I've got a mac pro at work that's nothing but a pile of squishy keys.
- nayuki 9y ago
  Not to say that the MacBook is better, but I found the Surface Book's keyboard to be infuriating: No right Ctrl key (how do you press Ctrl+I/L/M/P?). Fn lock lamp (one more mode to remember). Hard-to-find Home/End keys. Home/End/PgUp/PgDn mapped over F8/F9/F10/F11 keys. And ironically, I find the key labels easier to read in black with the backlight off, than in white with the backlight on.
jpindar 9y ago
I've never used Apple's, but I have an ASUS gaming laptop with the most awesome (and large) trackpad I've ever used. Admittedly it's not a cheap computer, but that was one of several very pleasant surprises when I unboxed it. The keyboard is nothing special though.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  > I've never used Apple's, but I have an ASUS gaming laptop with the most awesome (and large) trackpad I've ever used. Would you mind sharing what model it is?
  - jpindar 9y ago
    G750JZ https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G750JZ/ https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G750JZ/

jdc0589 9y ago

the circa 2012 to 2015 keyboards and trackpads on MacBooks were PERFECT. the new keyboards feel like typing on a hard table top

threeseed 9y ago
You really do get used to it after a while and I am actually far more accurate on it than the 2015 MacBook Pro. Also might want to be clear which MacBook you are talking about. The 2017 model has the second generation keyboard which is significantly better than the 2016.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  > The 2017 model has the second generation keyboard which is significantly better than the 2016. I thought both the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros had the second-generation butterfly switches. Wasn't the first iteration of the butterfly switch only in the first generation 12" MacBook (the one with one USB-C port)?
interpol_p 9y ago
I love the new keyboards. They feel so solid and strangely "direct" compared to the old ones (which now feel like typing on marshmallows by comparison). Same goes for the iPad Pro smart keyboard cover. The stability and "clickiness" of the keys outweighs the depth of travel for me.

vvanders 9y ago

I'd argue that the Surface Book is of the similar quality and the keyboard is certainly light-years ahead. I've got a mac pro at work that's nothing but a pile of squishy keys.

nayuki 9y ago
Not to say that the MacBook is better, but I found the Surface Book's keyboard to be infuriating: No right Ctrl key (how do you press Ctrl+I/L/M/P?). Fn lock lamp (one more mode to remember). Hard-to-find Home/End keys. Home/End/PgUp/PgDn mapped over F8/F9/F10/F11 keys. And ironically, I find the key labels easier to read in black with the backlight off, than in white with the backlight on.

jpindar 9y ago

I've never used Apple's, but I have an ASUS gaming laptop with the most awesome (and large) trackpad I've ever used. Admittedly it's not a cheap computer, but that was one of several very pleasant surprises when I unboxed it. The keyboard is nothing special though.

ValentineC 9y ago
> I've never used Apple's, but I have an ASUS gaming laptop with the most awesome (and large) trackpad I've ever used. Would you mind sharing what model it is?
- jpindar 9y ago
  G750JZ https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G750JZ/ https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G750JZ/