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> in dynamic languages given they're more of a necessity Sounds like you came around. > No Not everyone agrees that dynamic languages lead to faster velocity

> in dynamic languages given they're more of a necessity Sounds like you came around. > No Not everyone agrees that dynamic languages lead to faster velocity. Velocity is a function of many things (environment, culture, tooling, existing code bases, developer skill and familiarity with a language, how low you set your quality bar for your mvp, etc) and as I mentioned a few times now, different developers have a better velocity when working in statically typed languages. "Improved velocity" is not an inherent property of dynamic languages, it depends on many other factors as well. I'm not sure why you keep ignoring that point (well I have an idea why...) > it's a weak and sheltered assumption showing a lack of first-hand experience It's not an assumption, it's an observation that I think extends beyond my direct experience. I've trained many developers who were huge dynamic language proponents much in the way you are right now: any mention of an advantage found in a static type system sent them off into vague or straw-man arguments about how productive they found themselves in their dynamic languages, how flexible it made them, and how handcuffed they thought they'd be if they tried a statically-typed language. In reality, they had never taken the time to learn any of the decent statically-typed languages, and when I probe as to why, the reason is usually because it takes more effort and because those languages aren't as popular (and sometimes a fear of the unknown). Once they get up to speed, they find themselves just as productive, writing fewer tests, and producing higher quality software. Of course it helps that the culture around me fosters that kind of thing: we write or provide tooling, and we have the senior developer resources to help other developers where a quick stack overflow answer won't solve their immediate problem, but as I said a few times now, those points are all orthogonal to mine. > [Long string of ad hominem remarks] I'm not sure why you think you know me, my experience, or what I'm proficient in, but you are mistaken (and if you had read the comments you replied to more carefully you might have realized that). Since that's not a productive way to discuss a topic, I'll leave things here. If you wish to change the way you converse, I may be back, but it's unlikely. Good luck in your endeavors.

mythz 9y ago
I wanted to leave it, but it's full of misguided assumptions, so I'll keep try it short. > Sounds like you came around. No my experience hasn't changed, I've delivered solutions in multiple languages (with a majority of them in static languages) and am familiar with realities and cultures in each. I'm a proponent of technology and adopting the best language/tool for each use-case. I could list all the areas where dynamic > static and vice-versa but you're not interested in learning where they provide the most value so I wont bother. Using a single language/tool for everything is an inefficient use of developer resources. When I started out I also used to hold an affinity to my preferred language, but that eroded over time as I became aware of where my preferred language and ecosystem deficiencies and where their strengths lie, my primary concern is adopting the best technology that creates the most value with the least time and effort where I regularly use and explore different languages and frameworks to gain experience in them so I can identify their strengths, techniques, approaches and which areas they excel at. > Not everyone agrees that dynamic languages lead to faster velocity. An overwhelming majority of successful Startups do, you've yet to show any evidence suggesting otherwise, just biased hearsay. The most valuable Internet properties and successful startups are built on dynamic languages so your disparaging remarks suggesting they're "slow, unstable, drains your battery, is constantly offline, or has major security flaws" is a completely false straw-man that amateurs would say - those are not a function of language or in anyway represent the value created or talented engineers using them. If you actually believe this, it shows you don't have any first-hand knowledge or experience using them so I can only assume your remarks are used to reaffirm your own technology confirmation biases, either way that's how it comes across when delivered as a baseless slur. Personally I would've liked to see some examples and empirical evidence backing up your theories, because as it stands none of them hold any water.
- jjnoakes 9y ago
  You continue to argue against points that were never made and you claim my position is something which it is not. At this point I have to assume you are doing it intentionally, but either way, I'm not interested in being misrepresented constantly.

mythz 9y ago

I wanted to leave it, but it's full of misguided assumptions, so I'll keep try it short. > Sounds like you came around. No my experience hasn't changed, I've delivered solutions in multiple languages (with a majority of them in static languages) and am familiar with realities and cultures in each. I'm a proponent of technology and adopting the best language/tool for each use-case. I could list all the areas where dynamic > static and vice-versa but you're not interested in learning where they provide the most value so I wont bother. Using a single language/tool for everything is an inefficient use of developer resources. When I started out I also used to hold an affinity to my preferred language, but that eroded over time as I became aware of where my preferred language and ecosystem deficiencies and where their strengths lie, my primary concern is adopting the best technology that creates the most value with the least time and effort where I regularly use and explore different languages and frameworks to gain experience in them so I can identify their strengths, techniques, approaches and which areas they excel at. > Not everyone agrees that dynamic languages lead to faster velocity. An overwhelming majority of successful Startups do, you've yet to show any evidence suggesting otherwise, just biased hearsay. The most valuable Internet properties and successful startups are built on dynamic languages so your disparaging remarks suggesting they're "slow, unstable, drains your battery, is constantly offline, or has major security flaws" is a completely false straw-man that amateurs would say - those are not a function of language or in anyway represent the value created or talented engineers using them. If you actually believe this, it shows you don't have any first-hand knowledge or experience using them so I can only assume your remarks are used to reaffirm your own technology confirmation biases, either way that's how it comes across when delivered as a baseless slur. Personally I would've liked to see some examples and empirical evidence backing up your theories, because as it stands none of them hold any water.

jjnoakes 9y ago
You continue to argue against points that were never made and you claim my position is something which it is not. At this point I have to assume you are doing it intentionally, but either way, I'm not interested in being misrepresented constantly.