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Folks, half of this conversation is now so greyed out I can't even properly read it. Regardless of whether you agree or not - please stop downvoting. A person's

by voidz 9y ago

Folks, half of this conversation is now so greyed out I can't even properly read it. Regardless of whether you agree or not - please stop downvoting. A person's asking legitimate questions. Don't silence the questions. Don't punish people who just talk within the discourse. There's no one being attacked here. No one's being objectionally rude. It's just an exchange of ideas and viewpoints. Let those be.

luckydata 9y ago
No, you're wrong. That person was trolling and deserves all the negativity they got.
- voidz 9y ago
  You're arguing opinions as facts and making me debate semantics. I don't agree that this was trolling by the least. Also – since these are just opinions, they are worth equally much. The truth isn't something you or anyone else owns. And what do you mean, 'deserves.' This isn't trolling. This person is arguing, is what I think. Arguing civilly which is what this is, should be possible out here in the boonies (whith which I mean HN, in the most amical way).
  - SwellJoe 9y ago
    I question the sincerity of their arguments. The same person posted at least one ridiculous nonsequitur (about guns), quoted the same passage several times in several places with demonstrably incorrect explanation of its meaning (even after being corrected about what California law says about the subject, with references), made silly analogies about living rooms, and all around pulled a Gish Gallop spread across a couple dozen comments. If a "civil" argument is designed to mislead and intended to make the conversation incomprehensible, can it be anything other than a troll? This is a trolling tactic and has been forever. Look up "forum sliding", for another fun explanation of one of the tactics hyperliner is using.
  - s73ver 9y ago
    "Also – since these are just opinions, they are worth equally much." Wrong. Not all opinions are worth the same. An opinion that runs contrary to established case law, for instance, is worth almost nothing. "This isn't trolling." Considering they've posted the same thing over and over again, it's pretty clear there was trolling.
PixelB 9y ago
The only greyed out posts I see aren't worth reading anyway. Mostly just ignoring anyone that makes points to counter their arguments, it's like having a conversation with our President.
Aloha 9y ago
If he didn't keep posting and reposting the same blurb about whomever is representing the defendant, I might more reasonably consider his point of view. Until then, I'm really considering him just to be trolling.

by voidz 9y ago

luckydata 9y ago

No, you're wrong. That person was trolling and deserves all the negativity they got.

voidz 9y ago
You're arguing opinions as facts and making me debate semantics. I don't agree that this was trolling by the least. Also – since these are just opinions, they are worth equally much. The truth isn't something you or anyone else owns. And what do you mean, 'deserves.' This isn't trolling. This person is arguing, is what I think. Arguing civilly which is what this is, should be possible out here in the boonies (whith which I mean HN, in the most amical way).
- SwellJoe 9y ago
  I question the sincerity of their arguments. The same person posted at least one ridiculous nonsequitur (about guns), quoted the same passage several times in several places with demonstrably incorrect explanation of its meaning (even after being corrected about what California law says about the subject, with references), made silly analogies about living rooms, and all around pulled a Gish Gallop spread across a couple dozen comments. If a "civil" argument is designed to mislead and intended to make the conversation incomprehensible, can it be anything other than a troll? This is a trolling tactic and has been forever. Look up "forum sliding", for another fun explanation of one of the tactics hyperliner is using.
- s73ver 9y ago
  "Also – since these are just opinions, they are worth equally much." Wrong. Not all opinions are worth the same. An opinion that runs contrary to established case law, for instance, is worth almost nothing. "This isn't trolling." Considering they've posted the same thing over and over again, it's pretty clear there was trolling.

PixelB 9y ago

The only greyed out posts I see aren't worth reading anyway. Mostly just ignoring anyone that makes points to counter their arguments, it's like having a conversation with our President.

Aloha 9y ago

If he didn't keep posting and reposting the same blurb about whomever is representing the defendant, I might more reasonably consider his point of view. Until then, I'm really considering him just to be trolling.