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We used to have a concept of "outlawry." What it meant varied over time, but it was rooted in the reality that the court system and law enforcement had limits o

by Mz 9y ago

We used to have a concept of "outlawry." What it meant varied over time, but it was rooted in the reality that the court system and law enforcement had limits on how much they could do. So, they would declare someone an "outlaw" as a means to deal with this. In some times and places, this meant anyone could murder them. They were not protected by the laws of the land. I don't know what the solution is today and I am not suggesting that we should make it legal to murder someone like Khosla, but we need a mechanism for addressing the fact that our legal system cannot control everything. Someone this rich winds up being beyond the law in far too many ways and they don't care. I think one of the things wrong with modern life is the delusion that the legal system is in control to a greater degree than it is. This has all kinds of problematic side effects. There are far too few rules for what to do when someone is breaking all the rules and it means that rule followers are routinely crapped on by certain classes of rule breakers in a way for which there is no real remedy.

zanny 9y ago
Sounds like a bandage on a more general issue of the police not representing the will of the people. There are many ways to fix that, that have been discussed a thousand times in forums across the Internet. But really, if your police are acting in the will of the general citizenry, they would be arresting anyone repeatedly breaking the law to such a large degree as this, no matter what. If they aren't you can tell the police are not loyal to the people, especially when instead they spend their time bloodying or killing people taking recreational drugs instead.
- Mz 9y ago
  Sometimes, putting a bandage on it yourself is the correct answer. Imagine a world in which we could do nothing medical for ourselves at all and could ONLY call an ambulance any time we had a problem. I am fine with the courts and legal system trying to come up with solutions that say, in essence, "for little things, you are allowed to bandage it yourself and here is the list of approved remedies."
TheCoelacanth 9y ago
Allowing people to murder him is going way too far. There is already a simple legal solution to people who willfully defy court orders: put him in jail for contempt until he complies with the order. This is simply a failure of the legal system to apply the law equally to the rich and powerful as it does to the poor and powerless.
- Mz 9y ago
  From my comment above: I am not suggesting that we should make it legal to murder someone like Khosla
- seanp2k2 9y ago
  He has lawyers to get him out of that / delay it indefinitely. It would be unfortunate if it came to this, but since he's clearly not interested in adherence to the law or an amicable solution (build a pathway or bridge or take the gate out or whatever), I doubt he'd get much sympathy if someone were to park a truck in the street at the end of his driveway every day, paying the tickets and ignoring any future orders to remove it, until the gate is removed. Thinking about this more, a suitable punishment at this point IMO would be something like revoking his driver's license, not allowing renewal of any vehicle registration, denying tax returns, etc. Why does he continue to be allowed to use the public roads while denying the public access to a space?
  - seanp2k2 9y ago
    Actually, forget all that, use that stretch of beach to hold public surf contests all the time (assuming there's a decent break there). Failing that, beach party every day.
    - Mz 9y ago
      Sounds like the sort of thing where a tech solution could play a part. A website prominently advertising the location and fun daily activities comes to mind.
- s73ver 9y ago

by Mz 9y ago

zanny 9y ago

Sounds like a bandage on a more general issue of the police not representing the will of the people. There are many ways to fix that, that have been discussed a thousand times in forums across the Internet. But really, if your police are acting in the will of the general citizenry, they would be arresting anyone repeatedly breaking the law to such a large degree as this, no matter what. If they aren't you can tell the police are not loyal to the people, especially when instead they spend their time bloodying or killing people taking recreational drugs instead.

Mz 9y ago
Sometimes, putting a bandage on it yourself is the correct answer. Imagine a world in which we could do nothing medical for ourselves at all and could ONLY call an ambulance any time we had a problem. I am fine with the courts and legal system trying to come up with solutions that say, in essence, "for little things, you are allowed to bandage it yourself and here is the list of approved remedies."

TheCoelacanth 9y ago

Allowing people to murder him is going way too far. There is already a simple legal solution to people who willfully defy court orders: put him in jail for contempt until he complies with the order. This is simply a failure of the legal system to apply the law equally to the rich and powerful as it does to the poor and powerless.

Mz 9y ago
From my comment above: I am not suggesting that we should make it legal to murder someone like Khosla
seanp2k2 9y ago
He has lawyers to get him out of that / delay it indefinitely. It would be unfortunate if it came to this, but since he's clearly not interested in adherence to the law or an amicable solution (build a pathway or bridge or take the gate out or whatever), I doubt he'd get much sympathy if someone were to park a truck in the street at the end of his driveway every day, paying the tickets and ignoring any future orders to remove it, until the gate is removed. Thinking about this more, a suitable punishment at this point IMO would be something like revoking his driver's license, not allowing renewal of any vehicle registration, denying tax returns, etc. Why does he continue to be allowed to use the public roads while denying the public access to a space?
- seanp2k2 9y ago
  Actually, forget all that, use that stretch of beach to hold public surf contests all the time (assuming there's a decent break there). Failing that, beach party every day.
  - Mz 9y ago
    Sounds like the sort of thing where a tech solution could play a part. A website prominently advertising the location and fun daily activities comes to mind.
s73ver 9y ago