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> Do we want to punish and ostracize the guilty Yup, that one. > or do we want to minimize the occurrence of this behavior going forward? False equivalence.

> Do we want to punish and ostracize the guilty Yup, that one. > or do we want to minimize the occurrence of this behavior going forward? False equivalence. I would imagine if VCs and investors get the message that if they hit on women they'll be fired, they'll stop doing it. > I'm not trying to blame the women who try to use their sexuality to their advantage or even those that engage in consensual relationships with men in a position of power. But because those instances exist and these men have likely witnessed them personally, even if they're rare, they create the possibility in the minds of these men. Okay, so to combat this "pathology", we'll say, "If you engage sexually with someone who approached you in a professional context, consensually or otherwise, you're fired". Seems easy enough, and that takes care of the problem.

curun1r 9y ago
> I would imagine if VCs and investors get the message that if they hit on women they'll be fired, they'll stop doing it. You imagine wrong. Instead, they'll learn how to do it without getting caught. Lesson one comes from these incidents. Don't leave an electronic or paper trail. It's much less likely these women would have come forward if they hadn't had electronic records of chat sessions to back up their assertions. If you only treat the symptoms of the problem, it will keep returning in different forms. You need to address the root of the problem and your over-simplified view of the issue will never allow you to do that.
- speedplane 9y ago
  In theory, there could be an intelligent psychological model that analyzes a male VC's brain and provides thoughtful suggestions to them to dissuade them from this behavior right before it occurs. While that's a nice thought, it's incredibly unrealistic. The far more practical approach is to catch the bad guys over and over again, make examples of them and mete out punishment. That's how criminal deterrence works in every other field. No reason to make an exception here.
monksy 9y ago
> Yup, that one. So you're advocating for zero tolerence.

curun1r 9y ago

> I would imagine if VCs and investors get the message that if they hit on women they'll be fired, they'll stop doing it. You imagine wrong. Instead, they'll learn how to do it without getting caught. Lesson one comes from these incidents. Don't leave an electronic or paper trail. It's much less likely these women would have come forward if they hadn't had electronic records of chat sessions to back up their assertions. If you only treat the symptoms of the problem, it will keep returning in different forms. You need to address the root of the problem and your over-simplified view of the issue will never allow you to do that.

speedplane 9y ago
In theory, there could be an intelligent psychological model that analyzes a male VC's brain and provides thoughtful suggestions to them to dissuade them from this behavior right before it occurs. While that's a nice thought, it's incredibly unrealistic. The far more practical approach is to catch the bad guys over and over again, make examples of them and mete out punishment. That's how criminal deterrence works in every other field. No reason to make an exception here.

monksy 9y ago

> Yup, that one. So you're advocating for zero tolerence.