> nobody under 40 knows how to use it. Wow, you must be a grumpy old man, hating those youngsters. They can't even tie their shoelaces alone... Actually I hav

> nobody under 40 knows how to use it. Wow, you must be a grumpy old man, hating those youngsters. They can't even tie their shoelaces alone... Actually I have seen some people under 40, who could use a microwave oven, use a smart phone, and some could even use desktop applications. I believe many of them can find their way around stuff outside the web browser. Regarding developing swing apps as "use swing": I have managed to do it after reading the docs, and I'm under 40. It was actually more pleasant than using HTML+JS.