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As a person who was extremely poor by western standards (in 2002, I earned 10 USD per month in Uzbekistan) and who lived among poor people for 22 years, I can s
by hal9000xp 9y ago
As a person who was extremely poor by western standards (in 2002, I earned 10 USD per month in Uzbekistan) and who lived among poor people for 22 years, I can say that poverty is a personal choice, period.
Here is my answer on Quora with more details:
https://www.quora.com/Are-poor-people-lazy/answer/Eldar-Gaynetdinov https://www.quora.com/Are-poor-people-lazy/answer/Eldar-Gayn...
I copy this answer here:
I born in Uzbekistan in relatively poor family. At age of 18 (2002 year), I started work in internet cafe (~5 computers) as a network administrator (although, I was blatantly ignorant at that moment) for salary … 10 USD per month. I didn’t studied at school and dropped of university since education system in Uzbekistan is just literally fake.
Since then, I lived and worked in Moscow, Stockholm and currently in Amsterdam and receive good salary as a software developer (pretty close to upper bound according to GlassDoor). Although, I still don’t have any degree!
So I think I’m qualified to answer this question.
Short answer: From my long and close experience living among poor people I can say that most people stay in poverty all their live because they are lazy. And in most cases, it’s their fault that they stay in poverty (especially for those who live in english speaking rich western countries like US).
Long answer:
You may wonder how poor people can be lazy if they do hard manual job 10 hours per day. I think laziness have several different dimensions.
In general, I consider laziness as unwillingness to do some actions which could be beneficial for you in long term but require sacrifices in short term.
What does it mean for poor hard working people in practice?
It means that although they are willing to do hard job for 10 hours per day, they are unwilling to invest their free time to learn skills which can give them higher income in distant future.
They consider it’s easier and more realistic to do hard work right now because they almost instantly benefited from their job even if it’s hard labor job than studying something which don’t bring them instant profit and require commitment over very long period of time.
It may sound counter-intuitive but it’s fairly logical. If you wash dishes, you guaranteed to get almost instant profit (by end of the day, or week, or month). If you are reading some theory in a book, you don’t get instant profit at all. For them, it seem a big sacrifice to do something and get nothing in relatively short term.
Also, they have little time aside from their main job. For them, it looks quite irrational to read some technical books instead of drinking beer and watching football.
So poor people are quite lazy for learning new skills and prefer to do any hard job with instant profit instead.
All my life, I heard from poor people that I read completely useless stuff and waste my time. Learning mathematics and algorithms for them is completely nuts, useless stuff. I very often heard popular jokes like (this joke was popular in my post-soviet school in Uzbekistan): Why anyone need an integral? Integral is needed only when you need to get some stuff dropped into public toilet (they refer to stick having form of integral symbol).
So they drank a beer for years while I studied “useless garbage”. Now, they are still in Uzbekistan struggling to feed their new families and I’m in Amsterdam, able to travel around the world.
To me, it’s very unlikely to image highly curious person who are hungry to lean new stuff and still staying in poverty for years.
Those who are not lazy to learn get out of poverty soon or later. Just like me :)
- Al-Khwarizmi 9y agoInteresting life experience. However, I think you will agree that being lazy in the sense you describe is a trait of most humans, rich or poor. Non-poor people are just conditioned by their social environment to study, get a degree, etc. instead of not to. Many successful people would have been poor if they were born in your situation, because they don't have the personality or guts to go against peer pressure. And many of the poor Uzbek people you mention would probably have been successful if they had been born in a social environment where people were highly qualified and studied. Taking this into account, I can agree that it's possible to get out of poverty, but I don't think one can say being poor is poor people's fault.
- tonyedgecombe 9y agoIsn't that a classic example of survivorship bias.
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- foldr 9y ago>To me, it’s very unlikely to image highly curious person who are hungry to lean new stuff and still staying in poverty for years. Google 'genius died in poverty'. You don't have to imagine it. It happens.
- drchickensalad 9y agoWhy do you assume those with debt can afford to invest instead of get immediate payoff so they can survive?
- frenchpress 9y agoYour description of 'laziness', in part, sounds similar to lack of mental bandwith – although the latter is not so much a choice or an implied character defect. http://thepsychreport.com/essays-discussion/scarcity-excerpt-mullainathan-shafir/ http://thepsychreport.com/essays-discussion/scarcity-excerpt...
- wwwater 9y ago> is a personal choice It is, in the sense, that your personality determines it. But you can't determine your personality. If you are born curious and independent, you'll probably find your way. You cannot chose your genes. This thing about immediate gratification is a lot about genes and environment. If you are born in an environment where only instant gratification is valued, and if you don't get the right genes, there is no chance, you can change your life by yourself.