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Paying someone for sex is not the same as harassing your coworkers. You're also extremely naive if you think this doesn't happen in every other sales heavy indu

by vostok 9y ago

Paying someone for sex is not the same as harassing your coworkers. You're also extremely naive if you think this doesn't happen in every other sales heavy industry. London just happens to have a large financial sector. I can assure you that the same thing happens in the oil, tech, and real estate industries for example. If we're taking about anecdotes, I had a friend in college who was a sex worker and most of her customers were in tech.

nailer 9y ago
Sure but the entire team meeting at a strip joint after an official corporate event is harassment.
taway_1212 9y ago
> sex worker What's wrong with a word 'prostitute'?
- vostok 9y ago
  Do you think all sex workers are prostitutes?
- bogomipz 9y ago
  "Sex worker" denotes consensual sex work, while "prostitution" includes human trafficking. Also sex workers includes dancers in strip clubs, phone sex operators and adult magazine models none of which engage in the physical act of sex with others as part of their job: https://rewire.news/article/2008/05/06/sex-work-trafficking-understanding-difference/ https://rewire.news/article/2008/05/06/sex-work-trafficking-...
  - qb45 9y ago
    Agree about strippers etc, but to me "sex worker" sounds like something that could equally well be voluntary or coerced, just like any other worker. Wikipedia article on gulags refers to prisoners as "workers" several times.
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      The term has actually been promoted by sex workers specifically to distinguish it from the cooered version of sexual employment.
      - qb45 9y ago
        Yeah, weaponized linguistics. The problem is, as any weapon, it can backfire. General public doesn't give a rat's ass about jargon churned out by all those activists. And I'm absolutely not singling out sex workers here, SJWs tend to be the biggest offenders now. If public familiarity with some subtle, nonobvious definition of "sex worker" is an important point of their strategy, they are probably doing it wrong. If they are getting collateral damage from the human trafficking propaganda, they can talk about "legal sex work" or whatever to cut themselves from it. Activists overestimate familiarity with their jargon and ideas in the public. Firstly, because they live in echo chambers. Secondly, because virtue signalers amplify apparent popularity outside of the echo chambers too. It's a trap. Ask people who were sure that Trump will lose.
        greglindahl 9y ago
        So, for example, let's say you're an activist and you use "SJW" with the general public. Is that an example of overestimating familiarity with your jargon?
        qb45 9y ago
        Yes :) I now feel compelled to explain myself. My use of it was only in a secondary remark, non important for the main point of my post. And I think somebody versed in the nuances of sex work advocacy may have heard of this concept too. If not, well, not much loss. Interesting that you caught SJW and missed virtue signaling. This is more obscure I think and, admittedly, it was a part of my main point. So, from google: the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

by vostok 9y ago

nailer 9y ago

Sure but the entire team meeting at a strip joint after an official corporate event is harassment.

taway_1212 9y ago

> sex worker What's wrong with a word 'prostitute'?

vostok 9y ago
Do you think all sex workers are prostitutes?
bogomipz 9y ago
"Sex worker" denotes consensual sex work, while "prostitution" includes human trafficking. Also sex workers includes dancers in strip clubs, phone sex operators and adult magazine models none of which engage in the physical act of sex with others as part of their job: https://rewire.news/article/2008/05/06/sex-work-trafficking-understanding-difference/ https://rewire.news/article/2008/05/06/sex-work-trafficking-...
- qb45 9y ago
  Agree about strippers etc, but to me "sex worker" sounds like something that could equally well be voluntary or coerced, just like any other worker. Wikipedia article on gulags refers to prisoners as "workers" several times.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    The term has actually been promoted by sex workers specifically to distinguish it from the cooered version of sexual employment.
    - qb45 9y ago
      Yeah, weaponized linguistics. The problem is, as any weapon, it can backfire. General public doesn't give a rat's ass about jargon churned out by all those activists. And I'm absolutely not singling out sex workers here, SJWs tend to be the biggest offenders now. If public familiarity with some subtle, nonobvious definition of "sex worker" is an important point of their strategy, they are probably doing it wrong. If they are getting collateral damage from the human trafficking propaganda, they can talk about "legal sex work" or whatever to cut themselves from it. Activists overestimate familiarity with their jargon and ideas in the public. Firstly, because they live in echo chambers. Secondly, because virtue signalers amplify apparent popularity outside of the echo chambers too. It's a trap. Ask people who were sure that Trump will lose.
      - greglindahl 9y ago
        So, for example, let's say you're an activist and you use "SJW" with the general public. Is that an example of overestimating familiarity with your jargon?
        qb45 9y ago
        Yes :) I now feel compelled to explain myself. My use of it was only in a secondary remark, non important for the main point of my post. And I think somebody versed in the nuances of sex work advocacy may have heard of this concept too. If not, well, not much loss. Interesting that you caught SJW and missed virtue signaling. This is more obscure I think and, admittedly, it was a part of my main point. So, from google: the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.