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Yes, and you can absolutely tell they are implented in swing. Dont get me wrong, I use these IDEs everyday because they are extremely powerful and good for unde

Yes, and you can absolutely tell they are implented in swing. Dont get me wrong, I use these IDEs everyday because they are extremely powerful and good for understanding large codebases, but the UI is NOT their main selling point, sorry. Swing gets the job done, nothing more.

pjmlp 9y ago
> Swing gets the job done, nothing more. Which is what matters when delivering business value to fulfil customer's needs, not to be something cool to write blog posts on HN. Also a few days reading "Filthy Rich Clients" would make wonders to some Swing developers that actually care about UI/UX.
- awinder 9y ago
  I’ve not used one swing app where it wasn’t immediately clear how the app was made. It may check the box, much in the way that McDonald’s checks the “food” box, but I sure as hell don’t want to eat there.
  - kybernetikos 9y ago
    > I’ve not used one swing app where it wasn’t immediately clear how the app was made. How do you know?
    - benrbray 9y ago
      There's just something "off". Swing components don't behave like native components, even if they try to imitate the look. They also tend not to be as responsive and there are sometimes rendering issues (e.g. Swing buttons sometimes appear blurrier than native buttons depending on the system).
- omlswing 9y ago
  Wrong. For most situaions today, there are plenty of apps that "fill your needs". So it comes down to ux. Starting with a shitty ux framework like swing means eventually someone will replace you.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Swing is only a shitty UX framework in the hands of unskilled UI developers.
    - goldenkey 9y ago
      No, Swing is a piece of shit.
    - omlswing 9y ago
      Hrm. So the folks that wrote JetBrains etc are "unskilled"?
  - antonvs 9y ago
    None of that really applies to Palantir. They may have their issues, but I seriously doubt Swing is even on the radar if you look at the actual connection between their sources of revenue and their software.
    - omlswing 9y ago
      That's a fair point. You're right, good call.

pjmlp 9y ago

> Swing gets the job done, nothing more. Which is what matters when delivering business value to fulfil customer's needs, not to be something cool to write blog posts on HN. Also a few days reading "Filthy Rich Clients" would make wonders to some Swing developers that actually care about UI/UX.

awinder 9y ago
I’ve not used one swing app where it wasn’t immediately clear how the app was made. It may check the box, much in the way that McDonald’s checks the “food” box, but I sure as hell don’t want to eat there.
- kybernetikos 9y ago
  > I’ve not used one swing app where it wasn’t immediately clear how the app was made. How do you know?
  - benrbray 9y ago
    There's just something "off". Swing components don't behave like native components, even if they try to imitate the look. They also tend not to be as responsive and there are sometimes rendering issues (e.g. Swing buttons sometimes appear blurrier than native buttons depending on the system).
omlswing 9y ago
Wrong. For most situaions today, there are plenty of apps that "fill your needs". So it comes down to ux. Starting with a shitty ux framework like swing means eventually someone will replace you.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Swing is only a shitty UX framework in the hands of unskilled UI developers.
  - goldenkey 9y ago
    No, Swing is a piece of shit.
  - omlswing 9y ago
    Hrm. So the folks that wrote JetBrains etc are "unskilled"?
- antonvs 9y ago
  None of that really applies to Palantir. They may have their issues, but I seriously doubt Swing is even on the radar if you look at the actual connection between their sources of revenue and their software.
  - omlswing 9y ago
    That's a fair point. You're right, good call.