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This dig at Palantir’s stack is outright false. A ton of their “products” are modern TypeScript + React UIs over reasonable open-source datastores, and they ope

by jitl 9y ago

This dig at Palantir’s stack is outright false. A ton of their “products” are modern TypeScript + React UIs over reasonable open-source datastores, and they open-source plenty of stuff from that stack. Check out this React component, which is pretty cool: https://palantir.github.io/react-mosaic/ https://palantir.github.io/react-mosaic/ Plenty more examples here: https://palantir.github.io https://palantir.github.io

xxSparkleSxx 9y ago
Either way, I'd kill myself before I worked at Palanatir. And I've put myself in poverty before by quitting a multi-national pharma that bought my company out and I lived on my 10k savings over 15months while I found a new job. Palanatir is not harming the world because of 4-5 shitty executives. They are harming the world because of 100's of shitty employees that only want money. Fuck all of them.
- linkregister 9y ago
  > They are harming the world because of 100's of shitty employees that only want money. Can you explain this more? I don't work at Palantir, but I do insist I get paid for working every two weeks. How are they harming the world? I mean, aside from converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.
  - insulanus 9y ago
    They are saying "don't work for them" / boycott them. They are arguing that if they had no employees, they would cease to be.
    - linkregister 9y ago
      I still don't get why Palantir is making the world worse, besides being apparently a bad product.
      - comstock 9y ago
        There are finite human/physical resources. The money/time/physical resource spent on supporting Palantir and its employees could have been deployed on more benefital problems. Is I would guess the argument.
- avs733 9y ago
  I wrote this one of the last times Palantir was discussed and I think it remains true. The company is about ego and bullshit...and they have done a really good job of selling the emperors new clothes. >I cannot say enough bad things about Palantir. >I cannot comment about the technology but I sure as hell can at a people level. I was a speaker at a conference where one of the Palantir cofounders gave a keynote. This was a conference organized by college students for their peers. As with all such situations these kids worked incredibly hard and his talk was incredibly disrespectful to that. >If I hadn't been so disgusted I would have thought to record it. Rather than talk about anything relevant to his audience, or frankly anything informative, he told 'stories'. We have all seen that type of talk, but I have never seem one which so blatantly braggadocious about his interactions with this and other country's intelligence branches. I found it somewhat ironic, for someone who works for Peter Theil, that the level to which the talk, and his representation of the 'good' the company does was so absolutely and unapologetically statist and authoritarian. He talked about who's jet he rode on, who he knew, and other things that seemed simply organized to ensure we knew just how important he was. Several of the stories were overtly misogynistic, and none of them had any useful knowledge about Palintir or working for them. I was sitting with another speaker and we were literally shaking our heads. I felt bad for the organizers and felt the shame he[the speaker] seemed incapable of.
  - drewrv 9y ago
    > Several of the stories were overtly misogynistic, and none of them had any useful knowledge about Palintir or working for them. Sounds like you got a ton of useful knowledge about Palinitir and working for them!
scottfr 9y ago
Their Blueprint React component library is also quite nice: http://blueprintjs.com/docs/#core/components/button http://blueprintjs.com/docs/#core/components/button
- yiransheng 9y ago
  Also plottable, one of the few large typescript open source libraries you can depend upon.
  - insulanian 9y ago
    Plottable is absolutely amazing!
- dqv 9y ago
  That component library rocks. It's one of the few that puts keyboard focus as a first-class citizen.
nebabyte 9y ago
> A ton of their “products” are modern TypeScript + React UIs That's... not exactly better, tbh
- quickthrower 9y ago
  Not getting this obsession with the tech stack ITT? You can run a profitable business even when using Java, Typescript and React. Infact choice of language probably makes less difference than us geeks would hooe. Outside of really bad language choices.
  - nulldev 9y ago
    Yeah, frankly I agree. There are reasons to criticize Palantir, but including Java in their stack isn't one of them.
  - mattacular 9y ago
    It's easy to hear a business is doing badly and then assume it must be their tech stack that is the central problem even though that is pretty unlikely.
  - JBReefer 9y ago
    Bikeshedding/social signaling
obmelvin 9y ago
Lol. Sure, a good UI is important, but what's even more important is the backend data analytics and that's were palantir is the lacking
- backpropaganda 9y ago
  Poe's law.
- bm1362 9y ago
  How is Java/Spring an issue here? Guess what powers Amazon, Google, Apple etc.
  - halflings 9y ago
    Not Java/Spring? Google at least is known to use C/C++ for its backend. Python is (or was?) used in YouTube.
    - watwut 9y ago
      What is wrong with spring other then "not hipster compliant"? Google has quite a lot of java.
    - kayoone 9y ago
      Google had and has a lot of Java, see GWT. It might not be hip anymore, but its still widely used in a lot of backend environments.
    - cthalupa 9y ago
      I dunno about Spring in specific, but a quick search for 'java' on amazon.jobs brings back ~2700 open positions. The google search doesn't seem to give a total. Apple brings up ~500. Java is huge in a lot of places.
    - kpil 9y ago
      I think java comes out as one of the most efficient and battle tested backend languages. For data crunching, especially statistical jobs, Python is probably also a good fit although it's not as efficient but have a number of good statistical, mathematical and ai toolkits that seems to be more active. For running more specialized jobs, R have even more tools, but is a bit more shaky as a general language although it is a nice functional language, as many tools are more scientists scaffolding rather than nice abstractions. Then you have fortran and matlab. I've heard of using erlang as a fast real-time analytics tool too, but then you probably need to roll your own everything. But what do you suggest? Node.js claim to fame is mainly that most web developers know it, and js have formed their mental image of what programing is and how a computer works.

by jitl 9y ago

xxSparkleSxx 9y ago

Either way, I'd kill myself before I worked at Palanatir. And I've put myself in poverty before by quitting a multi-national pharma that bought my company out and I lived on my 10k savings over 15months while I found a new job. Palanatir is not harming the world because of 4-5 shitty executives. They are harming the world because of 100's of shitty employees that only want money. Fuck all of them.

linkregister 9y ago
> They are harming the world because of 100's of shitty employees that only want money. Can you explain this more? I don't work at Palantir, but I do insist I get paid for working every two weeks. How are they harming the world? I mean, aside from converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.
- insulanus 9y ago
  They are saying "don't work for them" / boycott them. They are arguing that if they had no employees, they would cease to be.
  - linkregister 9y ago
    I still don't get why Palantir is making the world worse, besides being apparently a bad product.
    - comstock 9y ago
      There are finite human/physical resources. The money/time/physical resource spent on supporting Palantir and its employees could have been deployed on more benefital problems. Is I would guess the argument.
avs733 9y ago
I wrote this one of the last times Palantir was discussed and I think it remains true. The company is about ego and bullshit...and they have done a really good job of selling the emperors new clothes. >I cannot say enough bad things about Palantir. >I cannot comment about the technology but I sure as hell can at a people level. I was a speaker at a conference where one of the Palantir cofounders gave a keynote. This was a conference organized by college students for their peers. As with all such situations these kids worked incredibly hard and his talk was incredibly disrespectful to that. >If I hadn't been so disgusted I would have thought to record it. Rather than talk about anything relevant to his audience, or frankly anything informative, he told 'stories'. We have all seen that type of talk, but I have never seem one which so blatantly braggadocious about his interactions with this and other country's intelligence branches. I found it somewhat ironic, for someone who works for Peter Theil, that the level to which the talk, and his representation of the 'good' the company does was so absolutely and unapologetically statist and authoritarian. He talked about who's jet he rode on, who he knew, and other things that seemed simply organized to ensure we knew just how important he was. Several of the stories were overtly misogynistic, and none of them had any useful knowledge about Palintir or working for them. I was sitting with another speaker and we were literally shaking our heads. I felt bad for the organizers and felt the shame he[the speaker] seemed incapable of.
- drewrv 9y ago
  > Several of the stories were overtly misogynistic, and none of them had any useful knowledge about Palintir or working for them. Sounds like you got a ton of useful knowledge about Palinitir and working for them!

scottfr 9y ago

Their Blueprint React component library is also quite nice: http://blueprintjs.com/docs/#core/components/button http://blueprintjs.com/docs/#core/components/button

yiransheng 9y ago
Also plottable, one of the few large typescript open source libraries you can depend upon.
- insulanian 9y ago
  Plottable is absolutely amazing!
dqv 9y ago
That component library rocks. It's one of the few that puts keyboard focus as a first-class citizen.

nebabyte 9y ago

> A ton of their “products” are modern TypeScript + React UIs That's... not exactly better, tbh

quickthrower 9y ago
Not getting this obsession with the tech stack ITT? You can run a profitable business even when using Java, Typescript and React. Infact choice of language probably makes less difference than us geeks would hooe. Outside of really bad language choices.
- nulldev 9y ago
  Yeah, frankly I agree. There are reasons to criticize Palantir, but including Java in their stack isn't one of them.
- mattacular 9y ago
  It's easy to hear a business is doing badly and then assume it must be their tech stack that is the central problem even though that is pretty unlikely.
- JBReefer 9y ago
  Bikeshedding/social signaling

obmelvin 9y ago

Lol. Sure, a good UI is important, but what's even more important is the backend data analytics and that's were palantir is the lacking

backpropaganda 9y ago
Poe's law.
bm1362 9y ago
How is Java/Spring an issue here? Guess what powers Amazon, Google, Apple etc.
- halflings 9y ago
  Not Java/Spring? Google at least is known to use C/C++ for its backend. Python is (or was?) used in YouTube.
  - watwut 9y ago
    What is wrong with spring other then "not hipster compliant"? Google has quite a lot of java.
  - kayoone 9y ago
    Google had and has a lot of Java, see GWT. It might not be hip anymore, but its still widely used in a lot of backend environments.
  - cthalupa 9y ago
    I dunno about Spring in specific, but a quick search for 'java' on amazon.jobs brings back ~2700 open positions. The google search doesn't seem to give a total. Apple brings up ~500. Java is huge in a lot of places.
  - kpil 9y ago
    I think java comes out as one of the most efficient and battle tested backend languages. For data crunching, especially statistical jobs, Python is probably also a good fit although it's not as efficient but have a number of good statistical, mathematical and ai toolkits that seems to be more active. For running more specialized jobs, R have even more tools, but is a bit more shaky as a general language although it is a nice functional language, as many tools are more scientists scaffolding rather than nice abstractions. Then you have fortran and matlab. I've heard of using erlang as a fast real-time analytics tool too, but then you probably need to roll your own everything. But what do you suggest? Node.js claim to fame is mainly that most web developers know it, and js have formed their mental image of what programing is and how a computer works.