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Yes, after all these years of looking up to him, how quickly you turn your back. Does he not deserve the benefit of your doubt?

mikek 9y ago
Did you not read the article?
- gduncan12 9y ago
  I read the article. Really hard to figure out what he did or how bad it was. Did he cat call a woman who just wasn't interested, or did he lock a woman in an office and forcibly rape her? Article doesn't say one way or another.
  - origami777 9y ago
    I agree with your sentiment (could've been worded better). Without clarification it seems like people are assuming the worst. Given Dave's reputation that doesn't seem fair. Hopefully the community will get some clarification so that those who work(ed) with Dave can make an informed judgement call for themselves about how to proceed with their relationship. Edit: added parenthesis to first sentence.
    - TheCondor 9y ago
      Women reported it, right? The Times article describes it. Women seeking jobs were propositioned and then denied jobs after rebuffing, sexist comments were made while they were fund raising and suggestive texts were sent. It doesn't seem like rape level stuff but it's still bad and unacceptable. It's never a good idea to approach someone romantically if there is some kind of superior/subordinate relationship. it just seems really messy with some sort of VC type relationship too, maybe almost a worst case scenarios.
      - neom 9y ago
        Why in gods name is RAPE the bar we hold ourselves to regarding how we treat others????? I'm actually sick to my stomach reading HN this evening.
        TheCondor 9y ago
        Just to be real clear, I don't think that's the bar. I think it's sick what happened. One of the parents was asking about the details and asked if it was rape or whatever and I tried to answer. I'm not in any way, shape, or form condoning or down playing what has happened here
      - origami777 9y ago
        Ah I didn't see that article. Only saw the techcrunch one.
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- horsecaptin 9y ago
  Yes I did. Investigations within private companies aren't the most forensic of affaires. There is always more going on than the story.
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rmason 9y ago
What is particularly telling for me that instead of trying to explain himself he just ran away. Sometimes if you rally around someone reflexively you're empowering a predator. Justin Calbeck got at least two passes we know about previous to his current troubles. At my alma mater there's a doctor who had people covering for him for fifteen years until a brave woman accused him publicly of sexually assaulting her during an exam. At last count 125 women have come forward with a similar complaint against him. A few years back my attitude might have been different but you're shaped by your experiences.
- drunkenmonkey 9y ago
  On the contra side of this is Trevor Fitzgibbon, who was accused of sexual assault, had the investigation dropped, and yet is nonetheless blackballed by the PR industry. Again, those whose minds are stuck on repeat -- whose own minds trap them into believing women over men -- are fools who should not be heeded. Like Nazis who sing hymns while Jews are marched to the gas chambers. The idiocy is real, and the effects on society are damning.
  - kelnos 9y ago
    That's a general problem with people's tendency to pass judgment on things where they have no first-hand experience. There are lots of people who have been accused of crimes, have later been exonerated, but in the process the court of public opinion has already crucified them. At that point it's too late: the public will never admit it was wrong. I'm not sure what we do about that. People who actually do bad things should be held accountable for them. Our "innocent until proven guilty" system is nice in theory, but the end result in the eyes of the public usually ends up being "guilty until proven innocent, but still guilty".

mikek 9y ago

Did you not read the article?

gduncan12 9y ago
I read the article. Really hard to figure out what he did or how bad it was. Did he cat call a woman who just wasn't interested, or did he lock a woman in an office and forcibly rape her? Article doesn't say one way or another.
- origami777 9y ago
  I agree with your sentiment (could've been worded better). Without clarification it seems like people are assuming the worst. Given Dave's reputation that doesn't seem fair. Hopefully the community will get some clarification so that those who work(ed) with Dave can make an informed judgement call for themselves about how to proceed with their relationship. Edit: added parenthesis to first sentence.
  - TheCondor 9y ago
    Women reported it, right? The Times article describes it. Women seeking jobs were propositioned and then denied jobs after rebuffing, sexist comments were made while they were fund raising and suggestive texts were sent. It doesn't seem like rape level stuff but it's still bad and unacceptable. It's never a good idea to approach someone romantically if there is some kind of superior/subordinate relationship. it just seems really messy with some sort of VC type relationship too, maybe almost a worst case scenarios.
    - neom 9y ago
      Why in gods name is RAPE the bar we hold ourselves to regarding how we treat others????? I'm actually sick to my stomach reading HN this evening.
      - TheCondor 9y ago
        Just to be real clear, I don't think that's the bar. I think it's sick what happened. One of the parents was asking about the details and asked if it was rape or whatever and I tried to answer. I'm not in any way, shape, or form condoning or down playing what has happened here
    - origami777 9y ago
      Ah I didn't see that article. Only saw the techcrunch one.
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horsecaptin 9y ago
Yes I did. Investigations within private companies aren't the most forensic of affaires. There is always more going on than the story.

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rmason 9y ago

What is particularly telling for me that instead of trying to explain himself he just ran away. Sometimes if you rally around someone reflexively you're empowering a predator. Justin Calbeck got at least two passes we know about previous to his current troubles. At my alma mater there's a doctor who had people covering for him for fifteen years until a brave woman accused him publicly of sexually assaulting her during an exam. At last count 125 women have come forward with a similar complaint against him. A few years back my attitude might have been different but you're shaped by your experiences.

drunkenmonkey 9y ago
On the contra side of this is Trevor Fitzgibbon, who was accused of sexual assault, had the investigation dropped, and yet is nonetheless blackballed by the PR industry. Again, those whose minds are stuck on repeat -- whose own minds trap them into believing women over men -- are fools who should not be heeded. Like Nazis who sing hymns while Jews are marched to the gas chambers. The idiocy is real, and the effects on society are damning.
- kelnos 9y ago
  That's a general problem with people's tendency to pass judgment on things where they have no first-hand experience. There are lots of people who have been accused of crimes, have later been exonerated, but in the process the court of public opinion has already crucified them. At that point it's too late: the public will never admit it was wrong. I'm not sure what we do about that. People who actually do bad things should be held accountable for them. Our "innocent until proven guilty" system is nice in theory, but the end result in the eyes of the public usually ends up being "guilty until proven innocent, but still guilty".