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> the lower an individual eats on the foodchain Why are you privileging organisms higher up the food chain? There should ethically be no difference in how we

> the lower an individual eats on the foodchain Why are you privileging organisms higher up the food chain? There should ethically be no difference in how we treat living things based on where they are in the food chain, except for qualitative reaons (bacteria vs a cow), so you are making the distinction on purely practical reasons. > is the reduction of greenhouse gases and other negative outputs the lower an individual eats on the foodchain That is at best a practical argument, and one that can be made only because technology to scrub greenhouse gases is not yet in use. > Since the vast majority of life on the planet is incapable of experiencing pain Counting by species or by total population? Insects may not feel pain (AFAIK) but most species (animals and plants) experience pain or stress. > exist logical arguments Not sure why you keep saying logical arguments. As opposed to what? Non-rational ones? There are strong ethical arguments to be made for not causing pain/stress when killing animals (and plants) and not killing life unnecessarily. But against eating meat? Its in our very nature to eat it, indeed meat is part of a healthy and balanced diet.

blacksmith_tb 9y ago
Eating lower on the foodchain is a strategy to reduce the suffering caused by one's own survival - a cow shares much of our physiology, so reasonably we can assume it suffers from things which would cause us to suffer; a crustacean, less so, and a cucumber, not at all, at least by any mechanism we understand.
- noir-york 9y ago
  Simply kill the animal humanely and it will not suffer. Make sure that grazing animals have adequate space and aren't fed shit, offal and pumped full of antibiotics to save money and con the consumer. In other words, treat the animals, and the people who will eat their meat, with some dignity.

blacksmith_tb 9y ago

Eating lower on the foodchain is a strategy to reduce the suffering caused by one's own survival - a cow shares much of our physiology, so reasonably we can assume it suffers from things which would cause us to suffer; a crustacean, less so, and a cucumber, not at all, at least by any mechanism we understand.

noir-york 9y ago
Simply kill the animal humanely and it will not suffer. Make sure that grazing animals have adequate space and aren't fed shit, offal and pumped full of antibiotics to save money and con the consumer. In other words, treat the animals, and the people who will eat their meat, with some dignity.