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> "On HN, the community decides what is acceptable having seen the comment." Not really, that's just a common fallacy perpetuated from the ones that see their

> "On HN, the community decides what is acceptable having seen the comment." Not really, that's just a common fallacy perpetuated from the ones that see their political views represented by the heavy handed moderation around HN, or the ones that actually don't pay attention to what is going on in HN. Moderators in HN heavily editorialize the Front Page by removing the flags from some posts and flagging other highly voted ones by the community. They do the same to comments that don't follow their personal views even when those comments don't break any of the guidelines but happen to be against the moderators political views. Bottom line: You might be deceived by the appearances here, or you might be actually enjoying so see anyone that disagrees with you being shut up in HN, but factually, it's not the "community" of HN that is deciding what is acceptable, it's largely the moderators of HN.

nulldev 9y ago
HN is first and foremost a promotional and growth tool for Y Combinator, and only secondarily a discussion forum for technology enthusiasts. However, HN's branding has been so successful that the public perception of HN / news.yc is the complete inverse.
- jbmorgado 9y ago
  Well I can agree with that, but it still doesn't change anything of what was said above, i.e. what you see and what you are allowed to discuss in HN is not what the community decides, but what the moderators decide.
  - nulldev 9y ago
    My point is simply that none of that should come as a surprise. There is an element of community here, but this forum first and foremost serves a business function - and is moderated accordingly.
    - dang 9y ago
      That's not true. I'd be interested in hearing how you think you know it. The thing that makes HN valuable is being interesting (a.k.a. "gratification of intellectual curiosity" as the site guidelines say), so that's the one thing we try to optimize the site for. That's the way to maximize its value, including its value for YC. If that weren't true, I doubt I'd be doing this job.
      - jbmorgado 9y ago
        > "The only thing we're trying to optimize HN for is being interesting (a.k.a. "gratification of intellectual curiosity" as the site guidelines say)" Care to explain us how removing flags from posts that aren't about technology (like you admittedly did in the past about perceived discrimination) in order to keep them in the front page against the community wishes is a an attempt of gratification of intellectual curiosity from your part? Care to also explain us how your constant admonitions and flagging against factual comments that challenge your views of discrimination are, yet again, an attempt of gratification of intellectual curiosity from your part? Thank you.
        dang 9y ago
        I would be happy to have a good-faith discussion with you, but unfortunately you don't sound interested in that. If you continue to descend into using HN exclusively for ideological battle and fulmination, we're going to have to ban you. That's not because we disagree with $your_politics, it's because ideological battle is not what the site is for (and destroys what it is for). We've asked you before to stop this, so if you want to continue commenting here, we need you to stop it now.
        jbmorgado 9y ago
        > "it's because ideological battle is not what the site is for" If this is actually true then why do you keep removing flags from ideological submissions and force them into the front page when me (and others like me) keep flagging and asking to stop with the ideological posts? Quite the conundrum, isn't it? > "We've asked you before to stop this" Can you actually point when that happened > "If you continue to descend into using HN exclusively for ideological battle and fulmination, we're going to have to ban you" I clearly don't use HN for "ideological battle and fulmination" my comments clearly go into the technical realm whenever you don't keep editorializing the front page and removing flags from the actual ideological submissions. But so what if you ban me? We already understood that our downvotes and flags mean nothing since you keep removing them whenever they go against $your_politics Dang, so it's not like we miss absolutely anything by just making a new account and keep calling out your double standards with it.

nulldev 9y ago

HN is first and foremost a promotional and growth tool for Y Combinator, and only secondarily a discussion forum for technology enthusiasts. However, HN's branding has been so successful that the public perception of HN / news.yc is the complete inverse.

jbmorgado 9y ago
Well I can agree with that, but it still doesn't change anything of what was said above, i.e. what you see and what you are allowed to discuss in HN is not what the community decides, but what the moderators decide.
- nulldev 9y ago
  My point is simply that none of that should come as a surprise. There is an element of community here, but this forum first and foremost serves a business function - and is moderated accordingly.
  - dang 9y ago
    That's not true. I'd be interested in hearing how you think you know it. The thing that makes HN valuable is being interesting (a.k.a. "gratification of intellectual curiosity" as the site guidelines say), so that's the one thing we try to optimize the site for. That's the way to maximize its value, including its value for YC. If that weren't true, I doubt I'd be doing this job.
    - jbmorgado 9y ago
      > "The only thing we're trying to optimize HN for is being interesting (a.k.a. "gratification of intellectual curiosity" as the site guidelines say)" Care to explain us how removing flags from posts that aren't about technology (like you admittedly did in the past about perceived discrimination) in order to keep them in the front page against the community wishes is a an attempt of gratification of intellectual curiosity from your part? Care to also explain us how your constant admonitions and flagging against factual comments that challenge your views of discrimination are, yet again, an attempt of gratification of intellectual curiosity from your part? Thank you.
      - dang 9y ago
        I would be happy to have a good-faith discussion with you, but unfortunately you don't sound interested in that. If you continue to descend into using HN exclusively for ideological battle and fulmination, we're going to have to ban you. That's not because we disagree with $your_politics, it's because ideological battle is not what the site is for (and destroys what it is for). We've asked you before to stop this, so if you want to continue commenting here, we need you to stop it now.
        jbmorgado 9y ago
        > "it's because ideological battle is not what the site is for" If this is actually true then why do you keep removing flags from ideological submissions and force them into the front page when me (and others like me) keep flagging and asking to stop with the ideological posts? Quite the conundrum, isn't it? > "We've asked you before to stop this" Can you actually point when that happened > "If you continue to descend into using HN exclusively for ideological battle and fulmination, we're going to have to ban you" I clearly don't use HN for "ideological battle and fulmination" my comments clearly go into the technical realm whenever you don't keep editorializing the front page and removing flags from the actual ideological submissions. But so what if you ban me? We already understood that our downvotes and flags mean nothing since you keep removing them whenever they go against $your_politics Dang, so it's not like we miss absolutely anything by just making a new account and keep calling out your double standards with it.