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> No, that'd potentially be a delusion of patriotism. Or nationalism. Patriotic would be to make your countries government better than others. Not merely believ

> No, that'd potentially be a delusion of patriotism. Or nationalism. Patriotic would be to make your countries government better than others. Not merely believing it is. I agree. The original argument of this thread was that without free press, doing things like making your country's government better is difficult, if not impossible. Therefore, it seems contradictory to be patriotic in a system that does not permit its citizens to improve upon that system.

vacri 9y ago
The US has a free press. The current president is a governmental incompetant, and is using the office to enrich his family. The latest story is that even the major personalities in his own party are telling him publicly to shape up, admonishing him like a naughty schoolboy. What will actually change in government to prevent Trump 2.0? How will it be improved? That's the saddest thing about this whole debacle, is that nothing will be changed to get rid of a bad president. No mechanisms will be added. Everyone will breathe a sigh of relief when Trump leaves (in whatever way) and then pinky-swear that "we'll never do that again" without changing the mechanisms to actually make it so.
- unityByFreedom 9y ago
  Trump is more constrained in the US than he would be as a leader elsewhere. There are a number of active lawsuits against him, most important probably being the emoluments ones. These take time to prepare and put in front of a judge. I don't know what better solution there is to wannabe dictators than a free press. Trump hates the press that doesn't agree with him. That should be a big sign that they are a thorn in his side. Life isn't perfect, nor is government. Sometimes you get a lemon and just need to deal with it with as much reason as you can muster.
  - vacri 9y ago
    > Trump is more constrained in the US than he would be as a leader elsewhere. O_o In a parliamentary system, when the leader loses the backing of their own party, they're no longer leader. And you don't have to wait four years for that to happen.

vacri 9y ago

The US has a free press. The current president is a governmental incompetant, and is using the office to enrich his family. The latest story is that even the major personalities in his own party are telling him publicly to shape up, admonishing him like a naughty schoolboy. What will actually change in government to prevent Trump 2.0? How will it be improved? That's the saddest thing about this whole debacle, is that nothing will be changed to get rid of a bad president. No mechanisms will be added. Everyone will breathe a sigh of relief when Trump leaves (in whatever way) and then pinky-swear that "we'll never do that again" without changing the mechanisms to actually make it so.

unityByFreedom 9y ago
Trump is more constrained in the US than he would be as a leader elsewhere. There are a number of active lawsuits against him, most important probably being the emoluments ones. These take time to prepare and put in front of a judge. I don't know what better solution there is to wannabe dictators than a free press. Trump hates the press that doesn't agree with him. That should be a big sign that they are a thorn in his side. Life isn't perfect, nor is government. Sometimes you get a lemon and just need to deal with it with as much reason as you can muster.
- vacri 9y ago
  > Trump is more constrained in the US than he would be as a leader elsewhere. O_o In a parliamentary system, when the leader loses the backing of their own party, they're no longer leader. And you don't have to wait four years for that to happen.