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They can teach us how to use political dissidents as organ donors, suppress protests by disappearing opponents, imprison those who point out corruption, and no

by wbl 9y ago

They can teach us how to use political dissidents as organ donors, suppress protests by disappearing opponents, imprison those who point out corruption, and no doubt many other things alien to our way of life.

vkou 9y ago
The United States isn't far behind in making it illegal to report criminal behaviour. Consider ag-gag laws, consider how whistelblowers get punished.
- devdoomari 9y ago
  ...at least US doesn't make money selling organs :( I really like the Chinese people, but... their gov. is f*king evil mess against them
  - Cpoll 9y ago
    The US exploits their disenfranchised as well: see the prison system.
tesators 9y ago
Exactly. If China wants to be a first class world power, they need to learn how to manufacture consent like the CIA. Right now they are having a hard enough time trying to control their citizens. They won't be a superpower until they topple a few democratically elected governments first.
anth1988 9y ago
Sounds great. They can also teach us to be experts in censorship, so instead of just ignoring their worse aspects we can actively suppress knowledge of them. That's what people want right? More effectively pretending china isn't a totalitarian regime?
narrator 9y ago
The U.S.A has 6x the per-capita prison population of China though. It's hard for me to understand how China is such an oppressive country and yet the number of people in prison per capita is so low.
- logicchains 9y ago
  In China you can avoid oppression by not criticising the government. In America, you can avoid oppression by not being poor or black. The former is a lot easier than the latter.
- refurb 9y ago
  If your only measure of political oppression is prisoners-per-capita, I can see why it's hard to understand.
SkyMarshal 9y ago
>imprison those who point out corruption, To be fair, the current Chinese administration (Xi Jinping) identified back in 2012 corruption as one of the greatest threats to the Communist party (rightly so for any government imho) and began an unprecedented campaign to crack down on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under_Xi_Jinping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under...
- Steko 9y ago
  Mostly a pretext to crush his political rivals.
jtolmar 9y ago
Those things, while terrible, are separable from their economic progress. Unless you believe that using political dissidents as organ donors helps the economy.

by wbl 9y ago

vkou 9y ago

The United States isn't far behind in making it illegal to report criminal behaviour. Consider ag-gag laws, consider how whistelblowers get punished.

devdoomari 9y ago
...at least US doesn't make money selling organs :( I really like the Chinese people, but... their gov. is f*king evil mess against them
- Cpoll 9y ago
  The US exploits their disenfranchised as well: see the prison system.

tesators 9y ago

Exactly. If China wants to be a first class world power, they need to learn how to manufacture consent like the CIA. Right now they are having a hard enough time trying to control their citizens. They won't be a superpower until they topple a few democratically elected governments first.

anth1988 9y ago

Sounds great. They can also teach us to be experts in censorship, so instead of just ignoring their worse aspects we can actively suppress knowledge of them. That's what people want right? More effectively pretending china isn't a totalitarian regime?

narrator 9y ago

The U.S.A has 6x the per-capita prison population of China though. It's hard for me to understand how China is such an oppressive country and yet the number of people in prison per capita is so low.

logicchains 9y ago
In China you can avoid oppression by not criticising the government. In America, you can avoid oppression by not being poor or black. The former is a lot easier than the latter.
refurb 9y ago
If your only measure of political oppression is prisoners-per-capita, I can see why it's hard to understand.

SkyMarshal 9y ago

>imprison those who point out corruption, To be fair, the current Chinese administration (Xi Jinping) identified back in 2012 corruption as one of the greatest threats to the Communist party (rightly so for any government imho) and began an unprecedented campaign to crack down on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under_Xi_Jinping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under...

Steko 9y ago
Mostly a pretext to crush his political rivals.

jtolmar 9y ago

Those things, while terrible, are separable from their economic progress. Unless you believe that using political dissidents as organ donors helps the economy.