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I am not sure you are really replying to my comment. I said nothing about CCP being what, I am defending Chinese people's behavior, and rebuttal the ideas that

I am not sure you are really replying to my comment. I said nothing about CCP being what, I am defending Chinese people's behavior, and rebuttal the ideas that Chinese people are a group of "extreme communism supporter who happily enjoy the value of freedom and hide their true color". CCP does much worse things than you western people even remotely understood. That does not mean that Chinese people are spies/extremist/... > suppression of knowledge about the "June Fourth Incident" and it really blows my mind. This is correct and true. And governments around world are learning quickly. That's the part we all should be aware. > Today, in China, Falun Gong practitioners are being imprisoned and having their organs harvested. I am not sure where you got this "fact"... This is a well-known fabricated lie of the Falun Gong leaders... Again, I cannot prove that no such thing, just as I cannot proven that there wasn't human organ harvesting in US. I can only say that all the sources to claim the existence of such thing is not true. > The people who comprise the CCP are scary. CCP has 80MM members. Please do not randomly exaggerate fact... If 80MM people are skilled practitioner of CCP tricks, China will already be the master of the world before 1987... > What is the world gives someone the right to try to lie to a whole nation of billions of people? No one. And no Chinese people or very few of them think CCP has the right either. > To define a false reality and insist with strength of law that it's real? Not sure what do you mean by "false reality". > The incredible grotesque arrogance of the thing! No clue what "grotesque arrogance" refers to. > And what a mind-fk for a nation to do to itself!? Please, do not mix CCP and Chinese people. People do not align themselves 100% at all time with the government or the party. > But then I think, what would I do, how far would I go, to prevent another Taiping Rebellion? Interesting. If you read CCP's propaganda, Taiping Rebellion is proclaimed as the righteous movement of the people to overthrow a corrupted government. While in reality, Taiping Rebellion is more like a group of manic that causes havoc across the nation. It brings no advance to anything, and killed 10MM+ people. And is considered a setback to the overall progress of Chinese society.

carapace 9y ago
I'm not sure I was replying directly to your comment either. I apologize. I only recently learned about the whole "washing" of the "Incident" and it has really made me think. I certainly agree with your rebuttal. I do not conflate the CCP with the Chinese people. And I'm aware that there are hundreds of millions of Chinese people who don't even live in China. I also recognize that most of the members of the CCP are good people, the ones I call "scary" are a small minority. (Even if I don't agree with Communism.) All things considered, if I'm thinking clearly, the most important thing I can recognize about China and the Chinese people is my own deep ignorance. :) - - - some points: In re: the Falun Gong, they have newspapers and occasional demonstrations where I live, and they manage to make a very sober and sobering account of it. If they are lying they are damn good at it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... I don't know the truth of it myself, I hate to believe it. > > What is the world gives someone the right to try to lie to a whole nation of billions of people? > No one. And no Chinese people or very few of them think CCP has the right either. Which is reassuring in one sense but dreadful in another: the concept of the "Mandate of Heaven" is still valid, even if you take it just as a metaphor? > Not sure what do you mean by "false reality". I mean the attempt to pretend the Tiananmen Square Massacre didn't happen. > No clue what "grotesque arrogance" refers to. I mean that the folks responsible for the decision to try to change history are being arrogant, institutionally if not personally. > Please, do not mix CCP and Chinese people. People do not align themselves 100% at all time with the government or the party. I agree. But taken together, as a Nation, that's a lil schizophrenic. Part of the nation knowing about the massacre and part "knowing" that it was merely an "incident" or even a myth, that's very schizophrenic. Even if most of the people see through it, it's still unhealthy I think. In re: Taiping Rebellion. When I read about it I was horrified. A vast horde hopped up on rebellion and bad religion and overrunning everything they could... And they call it a "righteous movement"..? Anyhow, sorry for my ignorance.
- justicezyx 9y ago
  Falun gong... Your wiki link has 4 external links and they are all YouTube videos... I am not sure there is any credibility in this form of data source...

carapace 9y ago

I'm not sure I was replying directly to your comment either. I apologize. I only recently learned about the whole "washing" of the "Incident" and it has really made me think. I certainly agree with your rebuttal. I do not conflate the CCP with the Chinese people. And I'm aware that there are hundreds of millions of Chinese people who don't even live in China. I also recognize that most of the members of the CCP are good people, the ones I call "scary" are a small minority. (Even if I don't agree with Communism.) All things considered, if I'm thinking clearly, the most important thing I can recognize about China and the Chinese people is my own deep ignorance. :) - - - some points: In re: the Falun Gong, they have newspapers and occasional demonstrations where I live, and they manage to make a very sober and sobering account of it. If they are lying they are damn good at it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... I don't know the truth of it myself, I hate to believe it. > > What is the world gives someone the right to try to lie to a whole nation of billions of people? > No one. And no Chinese people or very few of them think CCP has the right either. Which is reassuring in one sense but dreadful in another: the concept of the "Mandate of Heaven" is still valid, even if you take it just as a metaphor? > Not sure what do you mean by "false reality". I mean the attempt to pretend the Tiananmen Square Massacre didn't happen. > No clue what "grotesque arrogance" refers to. I mean that the folks responsible for the decision to try to change history are being arrogant, institutionally if not personally. > Please, do not mix CCP and Chinese people. People do not align themselves 100% at all time with the government or the party. I agree. But taken together, as a Nation, that's a lil schizophrenic. Part of the nation knowing about the massacre and part "knowing" that it was merely an "incident" or even a myth, that's very schizophrenic. Even if most of the people see through it, it's still unhealthy I think. In re: Taiping Rebellion. When I read about it I was horrified. A vast horde hopped up on rebellion and bad religion and overrunning everything they could... And they call it a "righteous movement"..? Anyhow, sorry for my ignorance.

justicezyx 9y ago
Falun gong... Your wiki link has 4 external links and they are all YouTube videos... I am not sure there is any credibility in this form of data source...