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Kent State, Dresden and dronings are well-known, if not in the US, then in Canada (where I'm from). The first one is mainly from the protest song by Neil Young

by uiri 9y ago

Kent State, Dresden and dronings are well-known, if not in the US, then in Canada (where I'm from). The first one is mainly from the protest song by Neil Young which may be played more often here due to Canadian content requirements. Of course, Canada has its own sordid moments in history... Residential schools, Oka & Ipperwash crises, Japanese internment during WW2. I think the Chinese government may play a role in strategically choosing only the most extreme and nationalistic individuals as eligible emigrants. This will skew the perspective of Americans who don't leave their country. Chinese student-spies on American University campuses is a well documented phenomenon [0]. [0] https://nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-western-campuses-china-influence.html https://nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-western-c...

justicezyx 9y ago
> Chinese student-spies on American University campuses is a well documented phenomenon [0]. Why "Chinese student protesting" is labeled as "spying". Dalai does want to make a part of China become independent. Without going into the debate into the legitimacy of this claim, can a country's citizen express their own emotion through the right channel? What makes them spy?!
- uiri 9y ago
  The protests themselves are not "spying" per se but rather a tactic used to promote pro-Chinese government propaganda. According to the linked article, members of the student group have been accused of spying. Straight out of that article: Li Fengzhi, a longtime employee of the Chinese Ministry of State Security who came to the United States in 2003 as a graduate student at the University of Denver, said that the Chinese government did not see the group so much as a spying operation, but rather as a propaganda and “information collection organization.” Mr. Li eventually defected and was debriefed by F.B.I. counterintelligence agents about the group’s activities.
  - paradite 9y ago
    > Li Fengzhi, a longtime employee of the Chinese Ministry of State Security who came to the United States in 2003 as a graduate student at the University of Denver, said that the Chinese government did not see the group so much as a spying operation, but rather as a propaganda and “information collection organization.” I could not find any other sources to cross-reference this information. All the information that I could find about Li Fengzhi (wikileaks, washingtonpost) talks about his link to Ministry of State Security (MSS), and make no mentions of comments made on the student groups. So it would appear that he was talking about MSS when talking about "the group". - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/exclusive-chinese-spy-who-defected-tells-all/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/exclusive-ch... - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/li_fengzhi_chinese_spy_who_def.html http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/li_fengzhi... - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/10/li_fengzhi_ex-chinese_spy_gran.html http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/10/li_fengzhi... - https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1231001_re-spytalk-li-fengzhi-chinese-spy-who-defected-to-u-s-facing.html https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1231001_re-spytalk-li-... Of course I could be wrong and NYT had the first hand information on that, but the entire Li Fengzhi story ended in 2010 so it is not likely that NYT had the information without publishing it before 2017.

by uiri 9y ago

justicezyx 9y ago

> Chinese student-spies on American University campuses is a well documented phenomenon [0]. Why "Chinese student protesting" is labeled as "spying". Dalai does want to make a part of China become independent. Without going into the debate into the legitimacy of this claim, can a country's citizen express their own emotion through the right channel? What makes them spy?!

uiri 9y ago
The protests themselves are not "spying" per se but rather a tactic used to promote pro-Chinese government propaganda. According to the linked article, members of the student group have been accused of spying. Straight out of that article: Li Fengzhi, a longtime employee of the Chinese Ministry of State Security who came to the United States in 2003 as a graduate student at the University of Denver, said that the Chinese government did not see the group so much as a spying operation, but rather as a propaganda and “information collection organization.” Mr. Li eventually defected and was debriefed by F.B.I. counterintelligence agents about the group’s activities.
- paradite 9y ago
  > Li Fengzhi, a longtime employee of the Chinese Ministry of State Security who came to the United States in 2003 as a graduate student at the University of Denver, said that the Chinese government did not see the group so much as a spying operation, but rather as a propaganda and “information collection organization.” I could not find any other sources to cross-reference this information. All the information that I could find about Li Fengzhi (wikileaks, washingtonpost) talks about his link to Ministry of State Security (MSS), and make no mentions of comments made on the student groups. So it would appear that he was talking about MSS when talking about "the group". - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/exclusive-chinese-spy-who-defected-tells-all/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/exclusive-ch... - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/li_fengzhi_chinese_spy_who_def.html http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/li_fengzhi... - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/10/li_fengzhi_ex-chinese_spy_gran.html http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/10/li_fengzhi... - https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1231001_re-spytalk-li-fengzhi-chinese-spy-who-defected-to-u-s-facing.html https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1231001_re-spytalk-li-... Of course I could be wrong and NYT had the first hand information on that, but the entire Li Fengzhi story ended in 2010 so it is not likely that NYT had the information without publishing it before 2017.