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Are most Perl programmers ignorant of the camel book? For the others I might agree. For myself, I learned a little bit of HTML "on the fly" (and had the help of
by Jach 9y ago
Are most Perl programmers ignorant of the camel book? For the others I might agree. For myself, I learned a little bit of HTML "on the fly" (and had the help of a short web series to teach me a few tags, this was before w3schools, or at least before I knew about it) but a friend who was letting me host and FTP onto a subdomain of his shared server noticed I could trivially get rid of a ton of repetition by using PHP just to include a header, write the unique content, and then a footer. He wrote an example for me to apply and recommended a PHP book and that's how I learned programming. If you're a beginner, a beginner focused book makes a world of difference.
I think the main trouble is that it's hard to know what the good books are for your particular needs, and most people aren't going to want to try exploring some alternatives to find a good one, or maybe haven't been given a good recommendation yet, so they don't bother reading books at all unless really curious or forced to... When you're just messing around or just need to edit relatively simple business logic in whatever language without making a bunch of new stuff, you can get away without understanding most things in enough detail that a book would cover.
Lots of books exist for different needs (references, subject-focused, beginner focused, general tour of the language...), so again it's hard to pick out in advance the one you need right now. Some of the more generic language level ones targeted at professionals still manage to leave out crucial sections like "How do professionals actually develop in this thing, and what alternatives are there? What's the simplest way? How are things deployed to production?"
For Common Lisp in particular the problem is two-fold. People get recommended SICP all the time, which is a good book, but they read as far into it as they can and then assume they know Lisp and wonder what the big deal is when compared to modern dynamic languages that let them loop without recursion or use infix math. But if they then go on to try and learn about Common Lisp, so many references (including Practical Common Lisp) don't show the good stuff for way too long, if ever, but begin by saying it's basically a waste of time without emacs. Now the reader has to learn emacs and like it. It's not a waste, yet books don't always address that. On the other hand if you're tool-agnostic like some Lisp books you might give a similar impression of SICP and leave out some of the cool bits because they can be hard to convey in text. The Debugging Lisp series at http://malisper.me/debugging-lisp-part-1-recompilation/ http://malisper.me/debugging-lisp-part-1-recompilation/ is my favorite at the moment to show people what makes Lisp different. It's emacs focused but it shows you why you might want to use emacs, or some other editor that can hook into the same underlying commands like 'COMPILE that aren't emacs-specific. The REPL is like a constantly present gdb (and all that implies like the possibility of better viewers than the text terminal, such as emacs) but way better.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago> I think the main trouble is that it's hard to know what the good books are for your particular needs, and most people aren't going to want to try exploring some alternatives to find a good one, or maybe haven't been given a good recommendation yet, so they don't bother reading books at all unless really curious or forced to... This is a solved problem, too, but not many people seem to understand the solution until told explicitly. I know it took me a while to figure it out, but here it is: With the Internet (and little English proficiency), you have the access to the very best material human race created on any given subject. In programming, the best books for topic X can be easily identified by searching for "best books on topic X" and browsing the resulting Reddit and Quora threads. It's literally that simple - if you see some books popping up constantly in such topics with high recommendations, it's a safe bet to go and read them. RE Common Lisp, I don't think it's that bad, as long as people get directed to PCL instead of SICP. I always recommend SICP as a book for blowing your brains out, and learning 80% of concepts used in programming in general - not as a book for learning Lisp, because it's not about that. The Debugging Lisp series is awesome, thanks for linking that!
- kazinator 9y ago> With the Internet (and little English proficiency), you have the access to the very best material human race created on any given subject. This is a common belief I hear from people, but it is deeply, deeply flawed. The Internet mainly has access to the very best promoted material that the human race has created on any given subject. > and little English proficiency Of course, it can't be best if it's not in English.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago> The Internet mainly has access to the very best promoted material that the human race has created on any given subject. I disagree, insofar we're not talking about some obscure lone genius work which for some weird reason isn't known to anyone else. I mentioned Reddit and Quora for a reason - communities around specific topics can recommend best sources pretty well, and evaluate them by quality. > Of course, it can't be best if it's not in English. Well, for better or worse, English is the dominant language of science and technology today, so it's expected that best resources will be created in, or translated to, this language.