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Does policing and maintaining vacant lots actually incur any meaningful costs on a city? Do undeveloped zones within a high density area help mitigate any exte

Does policing and maintaining vacant lots actually incur any meaningful costs on a city? Do undeveloped zones within a high density area help mitigate any externalities of high density development, by providing habitat for predators of urban wildlife, dense plant growth to improve air quality and soak up stormwater, etc.?

mabbo 9y ago
> Does policing and maintaining vacant lots actually incur any meaningful costs on a city? Vacant, unmaintained lands tend to attract crime. I say this from first hand experience- I was a teenager once, and we went to vacant, unmaintained land to commit crimes. We were good kids, mostly, but we weren't the only ones there. > by providing habitat for predators of urban wildlife, dense plant growth to improve air quality and soak up stormwater, etc.? I'm all for having dense forests near high rises (more birds! more plants! yes!) but that land is expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, expensive in terms of lost tax revenue. I simply argue that someone has to pay those costs, and getting mad at the city of being fiscally tight when politicians are elected promising exactly that is silly. You want to have a park/forest/whatever? Fine, but acknowledge that it's expensive and then pay your fair share of it.
- throwanem 9y ago
  In the most recent case I've personally tripped over, the land sold for $110,000. That doesn't seem very expensive to me. Judging by the look of the pads they're laying out, there will be at least six houses soon abuilding, priced per the developer's sign "starting from the low 400s." I'd say the city is getting rooked, but this is Baltimore. Somebody bought somebody. If you think that's a problem which is susceptible of solution by political processes designed to work in the absence of rampant corruption, then I'd love to hear how you see that working.

mabbo 9y ago

> Does policing and maintaining vacant lots actually incur any meaningful costs on a city? Vacant, unmaintained lands tend to attract crime. I say this from first hand experience- I was a teenager once, and we went to vacant, unmaintained land to commit crimes. We were good kids, mostly, but we weren't the only ones there. > by providing habitat for predators of urban wildlife, dense plant growth to improve air quality and soak up stormwater, etc.? I'm all for having dense forests near high rises (more birds! more plants! yes!) but that land is expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, expensive in terms of lost tax revenue. I simply argue that someone has to pay those costs, and getting mad at the city of being fiscally tight when politicians are elected promising exactly that is silly. You want to have a park/forest/whatever? Fine, but acknowledge that it's expensive and then pay your fair share of it.

throwanem 9y ago
In the most recent case I've personally tripped over, the land sold for $110,000. That doesn't seem very expensive to me. Judging by the look of the pads they're laying out, there will be at least six houses soon abuilding, priced per the developer's sign "starting from the low 400s." I'd say the city is getting rooked, but this is Baltimore. Somebody bought somebody. If you think that's a problem which is susceptible of solution by political processes designed to work in the absence of rampant corruption, then I'd love to hear how you see that working.