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And here we go already.... > in most cases people have no control over who becomes a member of the government in best case they can vote for a person who bec

And here we go already.... > in most cases people have no control over who becomes a member of the government in best case they can vote for a person who becomes a leader of the government Uh, do you not support democracy? Because how else do you have a democracy except to vote for elected representatives, and you have DIRECT control of doing so through voting? I'm not really anti-EU. I don't much care, whatever keeps that continent from boiling over in war is probably a good thing, but seriously don't come in here and say that something like the European Commissions is a more democratic institution than voting for your representatives and leaders are. That's intellectually dishonest.

dullgiulio 9y ago
What are you on about? The European Parliament members are absolutely voted for. Parliament in turn elects the executive branch. It is the same in many countries. By that twisted logic, Theresa May was very much unelected. Probably even more so now...
eveningcoffee 9y ago
>Uh, do you not support democracy? Because how else do you have a democracy except to vote for elected representatives, and you have DIRECT control of doing so through voting? In some countries you vote to a candidate to a position but in many countries that still call them democratic you can not. For example you could vote for a candidate into the parliament but the actual members of the parliament are selected based on a formula that sets higher preference for the candidates more upward in the voting list. Another example. You vote for a candidate but this candidate also belongs to the party X and when this party gets majority in the parliament, the leader of this party gets appointed (by president (possibly elected by previous parliament) king/queen) to form a government. Members of such government are commonly not voted by electorate but are selected by the leader of the government or by some other agreements. So you definitely can not have direct control over selection of members into the government. In most dramatic case the leader of the party can step down and another one out of the blue gets the change to play the lead of the state to advance her agenda. >I'm not really anti-EU. I don't much care, whatever keeps that continent from boiling over in war And UK just increased the change to get into the war with continental Europe or part of it.

dullgiulio 9y ago

What are you on about? The European Parliament members are absolutely voted for. Parliament in turn elects the executive branch. It is the same in many countries. By that twisted logic, Theresa May was very much unelected. Probably even more so now...

eveningcoffee 9y ago

>Uh, do you not support democracy? Because how else do you have a democracy except to vote for elected representatives, and you have DIRECT control of doing so through voting? In some countries you vote to a candidate to a position but in many countries that still call them democratic you can not. For example you could vote for a candidate into the parliament but the actual members of the parliament are selected based on a formula that sets higher preference for the candidates more upward in the voting list. Another example. You vote for a candidate but this candidate also belongs to the party X and when this party gets majority in the parliament, the leader of this party gets appointed (by president (possibly elected by previous parliament) king/queen) to form a government. Members of such government are commonly not voted by electorate but are selected by the leader of the government or by some other agreements. So you definitely can not have direct control over selection of members into the government. In most dramatic case the leader of the party can step down and another one out of the blue gets the change to play the lead of the state to advance her agenda. >I'm not really anti-EU. I don't much care, whatever keeps that continent from boiling over in war And UK just increased the change to get into the war with continental Europe or part of it.