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I love both these comments. China doesn't have private ownership. it's still communist, right?

justicezyx 9y ago
If "no private ownership" = communism, then correct, China is communism country. But as defined in the textbook, communism also requires highly-developed society, where citizens not work for their living, but for their aspiration, and the society provides the consumables for people's living. And many other necessary conditions to be called communism. Even for private ownership. If I bought a house in US, do I have an ownership? Then why I have to pay property tax and have a risk of been evicted if not do so.
- sho 9y ago
  FFS. China has private ownership of property encoded in its constitution. What are you even talking about? Very frustrating to watch these energetic discussions with strongly-held views based on pure nonsense. It's 2017 guys. You have a whole internet of information at your fingertips. Use it, please!
  - justicezyx 9y ago
    """ According to the Constitution, land in cities is owned by the State; land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by the State or by collectives. (Constitution, art. 10.) Although individuals cannot privately own land, they may obtain transferable land-use rights for a number of years for a fee. There are a series of laws and regulations regulating the land-use rights and ownership of residential property, including: ... """ https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2015/03/chinese-law-on-private-ownership-of-real-property/ https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2015/03/chinese-law-on-private-own... I am not an expert.
    - sho 9y ago
      > I am not an expert Well me neither, but I certainly doubt all those Shanghainese are dropping millions on apartments that they don't even own! And yes, real estate is leasehold, although the difference between auto-renewing leasehold and eminent domain-subject freehold seems to be a matter of semantics. The only country I'm aware of where a private citizen seemingly really can resist the ability of the state to seize their land, and thus actually does appear to genuinely "own" it, is Japan.
    - vacri 9y ago
      Do a google image search for 'nail house'. Clearly there's sufficient property rights for individuals to hold onto their houses to that degree.
  - abiox 9y ago
    can't speak to china, but it's worth noting that private and personal property are distinct concepts.
throwawayasdf 9y ago
It's funny to see the obviously pro-CCCP replies to you here. It demonstrates my point exactly. No, you don't have ownership. You only rent the land for 70 years, after which it returns to the government. You can 'sell your property' to somone else, at which point the 70-year lease on the land is reset for them to 0.
- vkou 9y ago
  Much of the land in Vancouver's west end is held under 100 year leases. Strangely enough, people still buy and sell it, and live in it. Perpetual ownership is not the only valid model of land ownership.
- thaumasiotes 9y ago
  No, the timing of the lease doesn't reset.
- ue_ 9y ago
  This is nonsense. A state can privately own land, and you need to own capital in order to lease it in the first place. And since when does renting not count as a form of ownership, albeit with restrictions? You're not allowed to do certain things in the US with your land, does that mean that the US has no private ownership? I do not wish to defend the CCP, but Communism is more than just "no private property", and you're wrong on the point on private property, at least coming from the Marxian sense which the Communists mean.
dang 9y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14665303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14665303 and marked it off-topic.

If "no private ownership" = communism, then correct, China is communism country. But as defined in the textbook, communism also requires highly-developed society, where citizens not work for their living, but for their aspiration, and the society provides the consumables for people's living. And many other necessary conditions to be called communism. Even for private ownership. If I bought a house in US, do I have an ownership? Then why I have to pay property tax and have a risk of been evicted if not do so.

sho 9y ago
FFS. China has private ownership of property encoded in its constitution. What are you even talking about? Very frustrating to watch these energetic discussions with strongly-held views based on pure nonsense. It's 2017 guys. You have a whole internet of information at your fingertips. Use it, please!
- justicezyx 9y ago
  """ According to the Constitution, land in cities is owned by the State; land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by the State or by collectives. (Constitution, art. 10.) Although individuals cannot privately own land, they may obtain transferable land-use rights for a number of years for a fee. There are a series of laws and regulations regulating the land-use rights and ownership of residential property, including: ... """ https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2015/03/chinese-law-on-private-ownership-of-real-property/ https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2015/03/chinese-law-on-private-own... I am not an expert.
  - sho 9y ago
    > I am not an expert Well me neither, but I certainly doubt all those Shanghainese are dropping millions on apartments that they don't even own! And yes, real estate is leasehold, although the difference between auto-renewing leasehold and eminent domain-subject freehold seems to be a matter of semantics. The only country I'm aware of where a private citizen seemingly really can resist the ability of the state to seize their land, and thus actually does appear to genuinely "own" it, is Japan.
  - vacri 9y ago
    Do a google image search for 'nail house'. Clearly there's sufficient property rights for individuals to hold onto their houses to that degree.
- abiox 9y ago
  can't speak to china, but it's worth noting that private and personal property are distinct concepts.

throwawayasdf 9y ago

It's funny to see the obviously pro-CCCP replies to you here. It demonstrates my point exactly. No, you don't have ownership. You only rent the land for 70 years, after which it returns to the government. You can 'sell your property' to somone else, at which point the 70-year lease on the land is reset for them to 0.

vkou 9y ago
Much of the land in Vancouver's west end is held under 100 year leases. Strangely enough, people still buy and sell it, and live in it. Perpetual ownership is not the only valid model of land ownership.
thaumasiotes 9y ago
No, the timing of the lease doesn't reset.
ue_ 9y ago
This is nonsense. A state can privately own land, and you need to own capital in order to lease it in the first place. And since when does renting not count as a form of ownership, albeit with restrictions? You're not allowed to do certain things in the US with your land, does that mean that the US has no private ownership? I do not wish to defend the CCP, but Communism is more than just "no private property", and you're wrong on the point on private property, at least coming from the Marxian sense which the Communists mean.

dang 9y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14665303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14665303 and marked it off-topic.