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Well, I'm looking at things how they currently are in 2017. I support self-determination of Africans (and subsequently all people), but that doesn't mean they w

Well, I'm looking at things how they currently are in 2017. I support self-determination of Africans (and subsequently all people), but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be better off right now under British rule. The British (and others, like the Dutch) never should have colonized Africa (or anywhere else), but they did. Likewise, I can acknowledge that the British are probably worse-off for leaving the EU, but also support their self-determination. I'm patiently waiting for the "but muh EU!1!" down votes to come in, even though I'm stating that the British are probably better off in the EU.

logfromblammo 9y ago
How does that old faxlore go? Heaven: British cops German mechanics French chefs Italian lovers Swiss administrators Hell: German cops French mechanics British chefs Swiss lovers Italian administrators Some nation-tribes are better at governance than others. Their countries might be objectively better if they were administered by another nation-tribe, but then it wouldn't be their country. Rhodesia was certainly a better international trading partner than Zimbabwe is now, but at least Zimbabwe is unequivocally owned by the Zimbabweans. Other countries don't exist solely for the benefit of their international trade partners.
- gorkonsine 9y ago
  That old faxlore is obsolete I think. From what I've heard, German cops are actually really good these days. Unlike some countries, they're not very likely to shoot first and ask questions later. And the reputation of British cops seems to have gone downhill lately. Also, I didn't think British chefs were bad (Gordon Ramsay is British after all); the main problem with British cuisine is that most of it just borrows from elsewhere, much like American food, and isn't uniquely British. So I think an updated list would be: Heaven: German cops, German mechanics, French chefs, Italian lovers, Swiss administrators Hell: American cops, French mechanics, ??? chefs (Canadian perhaps?), British or American lovers, American administrators
  - logfromblammo 9y ago
    It's obsolete and Eurocentric, but the point is that different countries have their strong and weak points. If you were to update it to include Americans, you might just use an entirely different set. But you still have to balance the list. Heaven Hell Japanese toilets economy Chinese labor toilets Russian energy entertainment German economy energy British health care food French food labor American entertainment health care

logfromblammo 9y ago

How does that old faxlore go? Heaven: British cops German mechanics French chefs Italian lovers Swiss administrators Hell: German cops French mechanics British chefs Swiss lovers Italian administrators Some nation-tribes are better at governance than others. Their countries might be objectively better if they were administered by another nation-tribe, but then it wouldn't be their country. Rhodesia was certainly a better international trading partner than Zimbabwe is now, but at least Zimbabwe is unequivocally owned by the Zimbabweans. Other countries don't exist solely for the benefit of their international trade partners.

gorkonsine 9y ago
That old faxlore is obsolete I think. From what I've heard, German cops are actually really good these days. Unlike some countries, they're not very likely to shoot first and ask questions later. And the reputation of British cops seems to have gone downhill lately. Also, I didn't think British chefs were bad (Gordon Ramsay is British after all); the main problem with British cuisine is that most of it just borrows from elsewhere, much like American food, and isn't uniquely British. So I think an updated list would be: Heaven: German cops, German mechanics, French chefs, Italian lovers, Swiss administrators Hell: American cops, French mechanics, ??? chefs (Canadian perhaps?), British or American lovers, American administrators
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  It's obsolete and Eurocentric, but the point is that different countries have their strong and weak points. If you were to update it to include Americans, you might just use an entirely different set. But you still have to balance the list. Heaven Hell Japanese toilets economy Chinese labor toilets Russian energy entertainment German economy energy British health care food French food labor American entertainment health care