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I guess it must be legally valid because a judge said it, but how does that make sense? One could even argue that the public defender's clients were affected,

I guess it must be legally valid because a judge said it, but how does that make sense? One could even argue that the public defender's clients were affected, this impacting him.

Terr_ 9y ago
The "standing" limitations are a relatively common and long-standing feature in the US legal system. If someone's dog barks in the night, and you live absolutely nowhere nearby but you dislike the person, should you personally be allowed to launch a lawsuit against them as a nuisance? Unfortunately this can lead to a catch-22, where you statistically know that people are being harmed, but without a lawsuit you can't identify specific people, and without specific people you can't launch a lawsuit. I feel that something like what happened with some of the government spying stuff in the last decade or so.
- aswanson 9y ago
  I get the dog analogy but this technique for correcting a flaw would be deemed idiotic in almost every other setting. Imagine a software developer not being able to fix bugs until a user reported it, or an airplane designer not correcting a stress joint mispecification until a plane crashed, or a police force not firing a rogue officer until a citizen complained, sued and won.
- JadeNB 9y ago
  > I feel that something like what happened with some of the government spying stuff in the last decade or so. I can't find the story, but there have been a lot of people who wanted to sue as victims of PATRIOT ACT spying, but who couldn't because they couldn't actually prove they'd been spied upon. The lawyer for one such person was accidentally sent papers by the government (as part of a larger, intentional shipment of relevant papers) acknowledging such spying had occurred, but (I think) FBI agents showed up at his door the next day and demanded their return.
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dragonwriter 9y ago
> One could even argue that the public defender's clients were affected One could argue that, but then those clients, not the PD, should be bringing the suit.

I guess it must be legally valid because a judge said it, but how does that make sense? One could even argue that the public defender's clients were affected, this impacting him.

Terr_ 9y ago

The "standing" limitations are a relatively common and long-standing feature in the US legal system. If someone's dog barks in the night, and you live absolutely nowhere nearby but you dislike the person, should you personally be allowed to launch a lawsuit against them as a nuisance? Unfortunately this can lead to a catch-22, where you statistically know that people are being harmed, but without a lawsuit you can't identify specific people, and without specific people you can't launch a lawsuit. I feel that something like what happened with some of the government spying stuff in the last decade or so.

aswanson 9y ago
I get the dog analogy but this technique for correcting a flaw would be deemed idiotic in almost every other setting. Imagine a software developer not being able to fix bugs until a user reported it, or an airplane designer not correcting a stress joint mispecification until a plane crashed, or a police force not firing a rogue officer until a citizen complained, sued and won.
JadeNB 9y ago
> I feel that something like what happened with some of the government spying stuff in the last decade or so. I can't find the story, but there have been a lot of people who wanted to sue as victims of PATRIOT ACT spying, but who couldn't because they couldn't actually prove they'd been spied upon. The lawyer for one such person was accidentally sent papers by the government (as part of a larger, intentional shipment of relevant papers) acknowledging such spying had occurred, but (I think) FBI agents showed up at his door the next day and demanded their return.

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dragonwriter 9y ago

> One could even argue that the public defender's clients were affected One could argue that, but then those clients, not the PD, should be bringing the suit.