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But if I fly to another city (or country), it's easier for me to just use Uber to get around since I have the app already installed, my CC is linked, etc. Not t

But if I fly to another city (or country), it's easier for me to just use Uber to get around since I have the app already installed, my CC is linked, etc. Not to mention, there's a higher probability that Uber will be in the new city than a less popular service.

gmarx 9y ago
And then you develop the habit of using uber so a new local service would have to offer something that Uber doesn't. That could be lower prices or more drivers coming more quickly. I suppose a new service could offer a better deal to the drivers to get more of them using it but it seems to me once this market matures the demand for rides side will dominate. No ride requesters on the app means fewer drivers will use the new app. On the other hand it is not nearly as difficult to create a new local ride share service as create a new Facebook
paulsutter 9y ago
How large is the total market for newly arrived travelers?
- ghaff 9y ago
  Significant. Business taxi expenses in the US are about $10B annually (which I believe includes related types of services). Presumably a pretty good chunk of that is business travelers who are not in their home city. Plus Uber and Lyft are apparently also taking some business from traditional car rentals.
  - paulsutter 9y ago
    $11B is the total taxi market in the US, and even if it were dominated by newly arrived travelers it's tiny. Ground transportation is measured in trillions, which is the sort of market size a $70B company is expected to grow into. Uber should be grouped with self-driving cars and the auto industry, not with taxis. https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2016/09/21/self-driving-cars-part-2-size-of-opportunity-involved/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2016/09/21/se...
SilasX 9y ago
Someone could still create a single app that plugs into many cities' existing ride services. It may not be as uniform an experience, but it saves the headache of downloading and setting up a new app for each city.
- kbenson 9y ago
  Yes, a ride share arbitration service would solve a lot of the problems. The question is, does Uber have enough market in enough places or enough of a name that they can resist fully tying into a service like that. Think Apple. They have enough market share (even if not a majority), and enough brand loyalty, that they don't need to adhere to existing standards if they think they can resist them and use that to their advantage. Think iChat, and compare to the original XMPP google chat. It was trivial to talk to gchat friends on an iPhone, but hard or impossible to talk to friends over iChat from an Android phone. By resisting making iChat open, Apple created an advantage for iPhone users. Eventually Google redoes google chat with Hangouts, and guess what? They close the protocol. Sharing is only beneficial for you if it's reciprocated. Does Uber have the clout or loyalty to get away with this? I doubt it, especially since the bar for drivers to drive for multiple services is so low. But if the arbitration service was created without provisions to account for this (e.g., you must partake in the system to use it as a provider), it would be trivial for Uber to fill gaps in their coverage through the service while preventing other apps from doing the same with Uber drivers.
  - linkregister 9y ago
    Is there no Hangouts app for iOS?
    - kbenson 9y ago
      There is, but it's completely controlled by Google now. It's not integrated into an app that can offer multiple chat systems as it could be previously, and they can control exactly how it's used since they control the app.
  - SilasX 9y ago
needlessly 9y ago
if you fly to another country, you will be subject to roaming fees. In that case, it maybe easier to just hail a cab depending on which country you are in
- horsawlarway 9y ago
  Only if you're a sucker and pay big bucks to a shitty US carrier. EU got rid of roaming. There are carriers in the US that offer flat rates in all supported countries (like Google Fi: 135+ countries at time of writing). I'm based in the US, I lived in Brazil for several months last year. I stayed with Fi, still paid 10$/gb and 20$/month for unlimited voice/text, kept my number, and immediately had data access. As a side note, Uber was there, and we used it frequently.
- chris_7 9y ago
  Not on T-Mobile...
  - prostoalex 9y ago
    Or Google Fi.

gmarx 9y ago

And then you develop the habit of using uber so a new local service would have to offer something that Uber doesn't. That could be lower prices or more drivers coming more quickly. I suppose a new service could offer a better deal to the drivers to get more of them using it but it seems to me once this market matures the demand for rides side will dominate. No ride requesters on the app means fewer drivers will use the new app. On the other hand it is not nearly as difficult to create a new local ride share service as create a new Facebook

paulsutter 9y ago

How large is the total market for newly arrived travelers?

ghaff 9y ago
Significant. Business taxi expenses in the US are about $10B annually (which I believe includes related types of services). Presumably a pretty good chunk of that is business travelers who are not in their home city. Plus Uber and Lyft are apparently also taking some business from traditional car rentals.
- paulsutter 9y ago
  $11B is the total taxi market in the US, and even if it were dominated by newly arrived travelers it's tiny. Ground transportation is measured in trillions, which is the sort of market size a $70B company is expected to grow into. Uber should be grouped with self-driving cars and the auto industry, not with taxis. https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2016/09/21/self-driving-cars-part-2-size-of-opportunity-involved/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2016/09/21/se...

SilasX 9y ago

Someone could still create a single app that plugs into many cities' existing ride services. It may not be as uniform an experience, but it saves the headache of downloading and setting up a new app for each city.

kbenson 9y ago
Yes, a ride share arbitration service would solve a lot of the problems. The question is, does Uber have enough market in enough places or enough of a name that they can resist fully tying into a service like that. Think Apple. They have enough market share (even if not a majority), and enough brand loyalty, that they don't need to adhere to existing standards if they think they can resist them and use that to their advantage. Think iChat, and compare to the original XMPP google chat. It was trivial to talk to gchat friends on an iPhone, but hard or impossible to talk to friends over iChat from an Android phone. By resisting making iChat open, Apple created an advantage for iPhone users. Eventually Google redoes google chat with Hangouts, and guess what? They close the protocol. Sharing is only beneficial for you if it's reciprocated. Does Uber have the clout or loyalty to get away with this? I doubt it, especially since the bar for drivers to drive for multiple services is so low. But if the arbitration service was created without provisions to account for this (e.g., you must partake in the system to use it as a provider), it would be trivial for Uber to fill gaps in their coverage through the service while preventing other apps from doing the same with Uber drivers.
- linkregister 9y ago
  Is there no Hangouts app for iOS?
  - kbenson 9y ago
    There is, but it's completely controlled by Google now. It's not integrated into an app that can offer multiple chat systems as it could be previously, and they can control exactly how it's used since they control the app.
- SilasX 9y ago

needlessly 9y ago

if you fly to another country, you will be subject to roaming fees. In that case, it maybe easier to just hail a cab depending on which country you are in

horsawlarway 9y ago
Only if you're a sucker and pay big bucks to a shitty US carrier. EU got rid of roaming. There are carriers in the US that offer flat rates in all supported countries (like Google Fi: 135+ countries at time of writing). I'm based in the US, I lived in Brazil for several months last year. I stayed with Fi, still paid 10$/gb and 20$/month for unlimited voice/text, kept my number, and immediately had data access. As a side note, Uber was there, and we used it frequently.
chris_7 9y ago
Not on T-Mobile...
- prostoalex 9y ago
  Or Google Fi.