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I never said or implied that I believe it is science based. I highly doubt it is. However I hadn't played it so I'm not going to argue about that. What I said

by mbel 9y ago

I never said or implied that I believe it is science based. I highly doubt it is. However I hadn't played it so I'm not going to argue about that. What I said is that your argumentation is absolutely incorrect and wrong in this context.

newswriter99 9y ago
So you're not debating the scientific-accuracy of DQ, or its merit whether it belongs on the list, you're merely debating whether the words I used were correct. Basically you're not taking part in the point of the original discussion?
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- mbel 9y ago
  I am taking part in the discussion indirectly by pointing out that your argumentation is irrelevant and does not support your opinion. It's not the words that were incorrect. The logic behind them is flawed. The list is supposed to convey games with element of science in them. The entries which are not based on science should be removed from the list. Therefore correct argumentation for removing DQ from the list should explain why the game has nothing to do with actual science.
  - newswriter99 9y ago
    The critics aren't on your side. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest/user-reviews http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest/user-revi...
    - the_af 9y ago
      Before the, um, "popular" backlash, Depression Quest was actually well received by critics. In my opinion, looking at metacritic user reviews now is not a good metric in this case: Depression Quest is one of the games that was a big part of the whole GamerGate debacle (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy). Tensions ran high, people made unfortunate comments and personal attacks, and things quickly ran out of control; a lot of gamers simply set out to punish some games and authors with negative reviews. Unfortunately this means many reviews are suspect and not entirely about whether the game is scientific or not, or about the game itself or its quality for that matter. As I'm sure you're aware of. In fact, getting too hung up about this particular entry in the list is (to me) suspect.
      - newswriter99 9y ago
        Part of the reason DQ was "well received" initially was because at face value it appears as though it's for a cause. Plus, (as mentioned by Gamergate) there's an unwritten rule about criticizing anything even remotely appearing "progressive." It's not hard to find overwhelming posts pointing these facts out: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2dw9hh/why_is_zoe_quinn_maker_of_depression_quest_so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2dw9hh/why_is... Any the cherry on top is your last line. "Suspect" Once again, either people are forced to cave in, or otherwise be "suspect" or "problematic" or "misogynist" or just the bad guy. Am I not allowed to point out the simple fact that DQ has no scientific educational value and as such does not belong on that list? If so, why am I not allowed to state this simple truth? Because it's inconvenient?
        the_af 9y ago
        > Am I not allowed to point out the simple fact that DQ has no scientific educational value You have, and the person who put DQ in the list disagreed. Why does it matter whether you personally like the game? You said your thing, the other person disagreed. Unless you're emotionally invested in DQ in particular, for unrelated reasons, I'd say the case is closed.

by mbel 9y ago

newswriter99 9y ago

So you're not debating the scientific-accuracy of DQ, or its merit whether it belongs on the list, you're merely debating whether the words I used were correct. Basically you're not taking part in the point of the original discussion?

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mbel 9y ago
I am taking part in the discussion indirectly by pointing out that your argumentation is irrelevant and does not support your opinion. It's not the words that were incorrect. The logic behind them is flawed. The list is supposed to convey games with element of science in them. The entries which are not based on science should be removed from the list. Therefore correct argumentation for removing DQ from the list should explain why the game has nothing to do with actual science.
- newswriter99 9y ago
  The critics aren't on your side. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest/user-reviews http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest/user-revi...
  - the_af 9y ago
    Before the, um, "popular" backlash, Depression Quest was actually well received by critics. In my opinion, looking at metacritic user reviews now is not a good metric in this case: Depression Quest is one of the games that was a big part of the whole GamerGate debacle (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy). Tensions ran high, people made unfortunate comments and personal attacks, and things quickly ran out of control; a lot of gamers simply set out to punish some games and authors with negative reviews. Unfortunately this means many reviews are suspect and not entirely about whether the game is scientific or not, or about the game itself or its quality for that matter. As I'm sure you're aware of. In fact, getting too hung up about this particular entry in the list is (to me) suspect.
    - newswriter99 9y ago
      Part of the reason DQ was "well received" initially was because at face value it appears as though it's for a cause. Plus, (as mentioned by Gamergate) there's an unwritten rule about criticizing anything even remotely appearing "progressive." It's not hard to find overwhelming posts pointing these facts out: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2dw9hh/why_is_zoe_quinn_maker_of_depression_quest_so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2dw9hh/why_is... Any the cherry on top is your last line. "Suspect" Once again, either people are forced to cave in, or otherwise be "suspect" or "problematic" or "misogynist" or just the bad guy. Am I not allowed to point out the simple fact that DQ has no scientific educational value and as such does not belong on that list? If so, why am I not allowed to state this simple truth? Because it's inconvenient?
      - the_af 9y ago
        > Am I not allowed to point out the simple fact that DQ has no scientific educational value You have, and the person who put DQ in the list disagreed. Why does it matter whether you personally like the game? You said your thing, the other person disagreed. Unless you're emotionally invested in DQ in particular, for unrelated reasons, I'd say the case is closed.