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> A glass of water provided at the right time in a desert is invaluable and thus expensive. If you travel a real desert, you'll realize that water is always of

by jlg23 9y ago

> A glass of water provided at the right time in a desert is invaluable and thus expensive. If you travel a real desert, you'll realize that water is always offered for free[1] to people in need. As is bread. And that is the very idea of basic income: Provide essentials for free. [1] Disclaimer: I did about 20k miles by car in Western Sahara and the south of Morocco in the last 4 years.

ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
And what happens if a thousand people show up and there is not enough of that limited resource in the desert for all of them? We live on a planet of finite resources, without controlling the number of people drawing from said resources you will over load the system, this and human nature are fundamental issues with the idea of Universal Basic Income
- jlg23 9y ago
  > And what happens if a thousand people show up and there is not enough of that limited resource in the desert for all of them? By the time water and bread are this rare you have long stopped thinking in economic terms, armed yourself and probably got killed. If it is a temporary outage, you can count on people to help each other. > Without controlling the number of people drawing from said resources you will over load the system From an economic point of view we don't have to worry about food and water, just about its distribution. Realizing that I'm going halfway Godwin on you here: "Controlling the number of people drawing from said resources" is a very.. weird thing to say when the resources in question are water and bread. You are over-generalizing the "basic necessities/basic income" to "resources". People who only have their "basic income" won't be able to purchase rare resources, they just won't have to worry about a roof over their head, water and bread. Why does everyone assume that people don't want more? You want to go on a holiday? You work. You want that bigger TV, a car or just a new game? You work.
  - ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
    >Realizing that I'm going halfway Godwin on you here: "Controlling the number of people drawing from said resources" is a very.. weird thing to say when the resources in question are water and bread. That's an asinine assumption, UBI is never restricted to simply bread and water, you ignore the reality that UBI is free to be used, however. Arguing for a basic sustenance program is entirely different than UBI models. No reason to bother delving deeper into demographic issues

by jlg23 9y ago

ZoeZoeBee 9y ago

And what happens if a thousand people show up and there is not enough of that limited resource in the desert for all of them? We live on a planet of finite resources, without controlling the number of people drawing from said resources you will over load the system, this and human nature are fundamental issues with the idea of Universal Basic Income

jlg23 9y ago
> And what happens if a thousand people show up and there is not enough of that limited resource in the desert for all of them? By the time water and bread are this rare you have long stopped thinking in economic terms, armed yourself and probably got killed. If it is a temporary outage, you can count on people to help each other. > Without controlling the number of people drawing from said resources you will over load the system From an economic point of view we don't have to worry about food and water, just about its distribution. Realizing that I'm going halfway Godwin on you here: "Controlling the number of people drawing from said resources" is a very.. weird thing to say when the resources in question are water and bread. You are over-generalizing the "basic necessities/basic income" to "resources". People who only have their "basic income" won't be able to purchase rare resources, they just won't have to worry about a roof over their head, water and bread. Why does everyone assume that people don't want more? You want to go on a holiday? You work. You want that bigger TV, a car or just a new game? You work.
- ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
  >Realizing that I'm going halfway Godwin on you here: "Controlling the number of people drawing from said resources" is a very.. weird thing to say when the resources in question are water and bread. That's an asinine assumption, UBI is never restricted to simply bread and water, you ignore the reality that UBI is free to be used, however. Arguing for a basic sustenance program is entirely different than UBI models. No reason to bother delving deeper into demographic issues