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I can't really answer your question, I'm no expert in this field, but I can tell you that I did experiment with lucid dreaming/out of body experience techniques

I can't really answer your question, I'm no expert in this field, but I can tell you that I did experiment with lucid dreaming/out of body experience techniques in the past and this usually involved the strangest body sensations. So what you describe may be similar. I never really succeeded, but I had a few, very short OOBEs. They only lasted a few seconds because I always got too excited the moment I realized it finally happened, and so I immediately woke up. When you say this happens randomly when you are falling asleep, then this sounds to me a bit like the start of an OOBE. Here is what I did and felt when I tried to experience an OOBE: lay down comfortably and try to let your body fall asleep. Take deep breaths, observe your body and look out for certain sensations, try to focus on the here and now so that the mind stays awake. Most of the time I just fell asleep and woke up in the morning, without remembering anything. But if you stay focused enough, you may start to feel and hear some kind of vibrations in your body, which may intensify if you stay focused. This phase is usually referred to as the "separation of the mind from the body". Once the vibrations are over, and you stay focused, you may start to get the feeling of "floating" and other strange body sensations. Sometimes it felt like my feet started to float, then my legs, and finally my whole body. If you are really good at this then you can try to "open" your eyes and look around. It may be really dark at first, but with enough focus you can literally say "let there be light". I was only once at this stage, my body started to float, and I "opened" my eyes after a while when I suddenly "saw" the ceiling right in front of my face. I got so excited that I immediately got "sucked" back into my body, and then I woke up. Nothing really happens in the physical world, an observer will see you falling asleep, but the whole experience always feels so damn real, the beginning is almost always the same and many people can confirm this. It's incredible and fascinating. Unfortunately I never got really good at this and I lost motivation. I was around 17-18 back then and seeking for the meaning of life. Another fascinating part is that there is no real scientific explanation for this phenomenon. Of course it's usually labeled as some kind of dream state, or just a chemical reaction in our brains. It depends on who you ask, but for some people this is esoteric nonsense and just simple dreams, for others this is the gateway to a another reality/dimension/quantum world. Personally I have no idea and never figured it out, and I don't care anymore. I got older and I have other problems now, like paying my bills. But it's still fascinating stuff and I like to think back about it every now and then. The internet is full of information and reports about this topic, some serious, some less serious. Anyway, thanks for making me remember about all of this, after a very long time. It was a fun experience.

fao_ 9y ago
> there is no real scientific explanation for this phenomenon. Of course it's usually labeled as some kind of dream state, or just a chemical reaction in our brains. Which... is actually most likely. A couple of times I've fallen asleep and still had knowledge of my surroundings -- I could tell what was a dream and what wasn't, and feel when my limbs were getting numb (Normally in sleep you'd move them, but I had to move them in this state. I also wasn't very happy to because that just wrests you out of the experience), but also feel when I stopped breathing (And spend a couple of minutes wresting myself awake in terror...). What would make that explanation a 'real' explanation, exactly? If it is an actual out of body experience, what evidence would you expect from that? The most science will be able to tell us -- at best -- is that they noticed a change in so and so part of the brain or that our brainwaves go a little fuzzy, and oh, when we stimulate such and such part of the brain with a small electrical current we can duplicate the exact process. To which people would just say that, while that is interesting and all, the ability to provoke it with electricity doesn't prove that it isn't an actual out of body experience (Of course, if we can do that, we can check for parity between what the subject experienced and what was actually happening -- but this will probably be met with limited success because they will probably ignore the fact that the brain can hear the surroundings...)
- simon83 9y ago
  Like I said, I really don't expect to find the "true" answer to all this. My point was basically that our current scientific knowledge may not be able to explain everything. We can observe the brain and see what's happening, but the brain and the mind is still a big mystery in science (as far as I know, it's been so many years when I read about this stuff). And I believe you immediately, without checking first, when you say that electricity can provoke such experience. In my youth I was also interested in brain wave states and how to "manipulate" them with binaural beats, for example. So it seems plausible to me that electricity can provoke a change in the current brain wave state, and thus induce OOBE like experiences. I think there was even a Kickstarter campaign or something for a device which was supposed to aid in experiencing lucid dreams. It also worked by inducing some electricity, as far as I remember.

fao_ 9y ago

> there is no real scientific explanation for this phenomenon. Of course it's usually labeled as some kind of dream state, or just a chemical reaction in our brains. Which... is actually most likely. A couple of times I've fallen asleep and still had knowledge of my surroundings -- I could tell what was a dream and what wasn't, and feel when my limbs were getting numb (Normally in sleep you'd move them, but I had to move them in this state. I also wasn't very happy to because that just wrests you out of the experience), but also feel when I stopped breathing (And spend a couple of minutes wresting myself awake in terror...). What would make that explanation a 'real' explanation, exactly? If it is an actual out of body experience, what evidence would you expect from that? The most science will be able to tell us -- at best -- is that they noticed a change in so and so part of the brain or that our brainwaves go a little fuzzy, and oh, when we stimulate such and such part of the brain with a small electrical current we can duplicate the exact process. To which people would just say that, while that is interesting and all, the ability to provoke it with electricity doesn't prove that it isn't an actual out of body experience (Of course, if we can do that, we can check for parity between what the subject experienced and what was actually happening -- but this will probably be met with limited success because they will probably ignore the fact that the brain can hear the surroundings...)

simon83 9y ago
Like I said, I really don't expect to find the "true" answer to all this. My point was basically that our current scientific knowledge may not be able to explain everything. We can observe the brain and see what's happening, but the brain and the mind is still a big mystery in science (as far as I know, it's been so many years when I read about this stuff). And I believe you immediately, without checking first, when you say that electricity can provoke such experience. In my youth I was also interested in brain wave states and how to "manipulate" them with binaural beats, for example. So it seems plausible to me that electricity can provoke a change in the current brain wave state, and thus induce OOBE like experiences. I think there was even a Kickstarter campaign or something for a device which was supposed to aid in experiencing lucid dreams. It also worked by inducing some electricity, as far as I remember.