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> Gay is a biological reality. Actually, there's no definitive proof for that, and it probably never will be as any research on the topic is now way too risky

by mamon 9y ago

> Gay is a biological reality. Actually, there's no definitive proof for that, and it probably never will be as any research on the topic is now way too risky - if your research produces a politically incorrect result then you'll be held in contempt as a "hater", even if your methodology is flawless.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
There's no conclusive proof, but the evidence is strong. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/homosexuality-may-be-triggered-by-environment-after-birth/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/homosexuality-... "Researchers identified nine areas in the genome where genes functioned differently when a twin was homosexual. And the scientists say that they can predict with 70 per cent accuracy whether a man is gay or straight simply by looking at those parts of the genome."
- mamon 9y ago
  70% you say? I can do even better, about 98% accuracy by saying "straight" every single time :) And what about other 30% of cases, when that genome predictor fails - isn't that an indicator that there are actually multiple causes of homosexuality?
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    Genetics of course are not the sole determining factor in expressed traits or conditions; they contribute heavily though, as do environmental factors.
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- tghgffeee55 9y ago
  That's interesting as a data point for biologists or other scholars When it comes to social policy, the only valid position is "who gives a shit?" If a culture is going to concern itself with notions of free assembly and association, and the right to both, there is no room for such distinctions
- shallot_router 9y ago
  I think the evidence shows the vast majority of cases of homosexuality are genetic in origin, but my understanding is there's some evidence there could also be an environmental role (be it exposure to certain substances or perhaps even how a child is raised) for a certain subset of cases. Research there risks treading into dangerous territory very quickly, since the study could be sensationalized to suggest the researchers are trying to claim that homosexuality is voluntary (which is very different from "environmentally-caused" or "environmentally-influenced"). Same reason why it's dangerous to study what genes may contribute to IQ.
i386 9y ago
I don't care if it's a biological reality or not. I'd like for people to stop scrutinizing my being. My existence is a reality, my reality, and I want people to stop talking about a personal characteristic that is as boring as liking the color green or having red hair.
- hypoctossah 9y ago
  Thank you. I'd wish people would stop scrutinizing my existence as a white male.
  - i386 9y ago
    Cool burner account bro

by mamon 9y ago

toomuchtodo 9y ago

There's no conclusive proof, but the evidence is strong. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/homosexuality-may-be-triggered-by-environment-after-birth/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/homosexuality-... "Researchers identified nine areas in the genome where genes functioned differently when a twin was homosexual. And the scientists say that they can predict with 70 per cent accuracy whether a man is gay or straight simply by looking at those parts of the genome."

mamon 9y ago
70% you say? I can do even better, about 98% accuracy by saying "straight" every single time :) And what about other 30% of cases, when that genome predictor fails - isn't that an indicator that there are actually multiple causes of homosexuality?
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  Genetics of course are not the sole determining factor in expressed traits or conditions; they contribute heavily though, as do environmental factors.
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tghgffeee55 9y ago
That's interesting as a data point for biologists or other scholars When it comes to social policy, the only valid position is "who gives a shit?" If a culture is going to concern itself with notions of free assembly and association, and the right to both, there is no room for such distinctions
shallot_router 9y ago
I think the evidence shows the vast majority of cases of homosexuality are genetic in origin, but my understanding is there's some evidence there could also be an environmental role (be it exposure to certain substances or perhaps even how a child is raised) for a certain subset of cases. Research there risks treading into dangerous territory very quickly, since the study could be sensationalized to suggest the researchers are trying to claim that homosexuality is voluntary (which is very different from "environmentally-caused" or "environmentally-influenced"). Same reason why it's dangerous to study what genes may contribute to IQ.

i386 9y ago

I don't care if it's a biological reality or not. I'd like for people to stop scrutinizing my being. My existence is a reality, my reality, and I want people to stop talking about a personal characteristic that is as boring as liking the color green or having red hair.

hypoctossah 9y ago
Thank you. I'd wish people would stop scrutinizing my existence as a white male.
- i386 9y ago
  Cool burner account bro