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The UW study was actually able to duplicate the results of previous studies, and had an explanation of why the results were different -- previous studies haven'

by cwyers 9y ago

The UW study was actually able to duplicate the results of previous studies, and had an explanation of why the results were different -- previous studies haven't actually known what wages people were getting and what hours they were working. This study did. Much better data gives you the ability to ask better questions. There are still possible flaws with the UW study, but the UW study addresses many criticisms in advance, and is much more worth a read than this WaPo article.

Shivetya 9y ago
will be curious is this pro article gets flagged off as fast as the previous story which wasn't supportive. last i checked the UW was requested by the city and journalist and .gov email addressed users all have access to the study, so this claim that its not available is the first indication the WAPO article is nothing more than predisposed piece, meaning they had an outcome and went searching for support of it. the ideology of WAPO is well known so any other result than this could not occur
- rory096 9y ago
  WaPo posted a descriptive article on the UW study days ago.[0] The OP is an op-ed by a member of a left-leaning think tank in a section called "PostEverything Perspective," described as "Discussion of news topics with a point of view, including narratives by individuals regarding their own experiences." Let's not make accusations of media bias without any basis at all. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.cded324bd79c https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-s...
  - WillPostForFood 9y ago
    It isn't media bias, it is bay area hacker news "I'll flag articles that don't agree with my worldview and upvote those that do" bias.
- Aron 9y ago
  I have the same question. The WaPo article that described the results of the study (not good for minimum wage progressives) got flagged rapidly. Articles since attempting to counter the story happily remain.
  - cwyers 9y ago
    Do you still have the link to that thread? I'm curious to see how the discussion went before the thread got flagged.
    - Aron 9y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14637873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14637873 Looks like it was un-flagged? Don't know enough about the process around here. It was flagged for a long time though.
frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
>The UW study was actually able to duplicate the results of previous studies That's not really true. The negative effect on employment demonstrated in the UW study is much larger than most previous studies have shown. >There are still possible flaws with the UW study, but the UW study addresses many criticisms in advance I believe it's much more than "possible" flaws and some of them are really quite damning. I don't think many people that read this criticism by Michael Reich (the author of the Berkeley study) could conclude that the UW study is really worth considering. [pdf] http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/Reich-letter-to-Robert-Feldstein.pdf http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/Reich-letter-to-Robert-F...
- Aron 9y ago
  The results the commenter was referring to is the fact that prior studies found good results with minimum wage within the restaurant-worker class, and so did this new study. But the new study found that looking at a larger superset of these workers showed poor results for minimum wage.
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- cwyers 9y ago
  Watching the Berkeley people dismiss this study because of how many employees are excluded by not having the multi-site data, when the Berkeley study excludes everyone not working for restaraunts, it's something.
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    The problem is that the Seattle law sets the minimum wage of multi-site businesses higher than single-site businesses. The expected effect of this is that minimum wage workers of single-site businesses will quit and work at multi-site businesses for the higher wage. A study looking only at single-site employment counts these people as having left the workforce when they've actually received a raise.
NotSammyHagar 9y ago
I've read the UW study didn't count employees in chains, that had to pay the higher minimum wages, and that was a significant amount of the people subject to the new min wage.

by cwyers 9y ago

Shivetya 9y ago

will be curious is this pro article gets flagged off as fast as the previous story which wasn't supportive. last i checked the UW was requested by the city and journalist and .gov email addressed users all have access to the study, so this claim that its not available is the first indication the WAPO article is nothing more than predisposed piece, meaning they had an outcome and went searching for support of it. the ideology of WAPO is well known so any other result than this could not occur

rory096 9y ago
WaPo posted a descriptive article on the UW study days ago.[0] The OP is an op-ed by a member of a left-leaning think tank in a section called "PostEverything Perspective," described as "Discussion of news topics with a point of view, including narratives by individuals regarding their own experiences." Let's not make accusations of media bias without any basis at all. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?utm_term=.cded324bd79c https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-s...
- WillPostForFood 9y ago
  It isn't media bias, it is bay area hacker news "I'll flag articles that don't agree with my worldview and upvote those that do" bias.
Aron 9y ago
I have the same question. The WaPo article that described the results of the study (not good for minimum wage progressives) got flagged rapidly. Articles since attempting to counter the story happily remain.
- cwyers 9y ago
  Do you still have the link to that thread? I'm curious to see how the discussion went before the thread got flagged.
  - Aron 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14637873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14637873 Looks like it was un-flagged? Don't know enough about the process around here. It was flagged for a long time though.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago

>The UW study was actually able to duplicate the results of previous studies That's not really true. The negative effect on employment demonstrated in the UW study is much larger than most previous studies have shown. >There are still possible flaws with the UW study, but the UW study addresses many criticisms in advance I believe it's much more than "possible" flaws and some of them are really quite damning. I don't think many people that read this criticism by Michael Reich (the author of the Berkeley study) could conclude that the UW study is really worth considering. [pdf] http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/Reich-letter-to-Robert-Feldstein.pdf http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/Reich-letter-to-Robert-F...

Aron 9y ago
The results the commenter was referring to is the fact that prior studies found good results with minimum wage within the restaurant-worker class, and so did this new study. But the new study found that looking at a larger superset of these workers showed poor results for minimum wage.
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cwyers 9y ago
Watching the Berkeley people dismiss this study because of how many employees are excluded by not having the multi-site data, when the Berkeley study excludes everyone not working for restaraunts, it's something.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  The problem is that the Seattle law sets the minimum wage of multi-site businesses higher than single-site businesses. The expected effect of this is that minimum wage workers of single-site businesses will quit and work at multi-site businesses for the higher wage. A study looking only at single-site employment counts these people as having left the workforce when they've actually received a raise.

NotSammyHagar 9y ago

I've read the UW study didn't count employees in chains, that had to pay the higher minimum wages, and that was a significant amount of the people subject to the new min wage.