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There are torrents with Vmware images with preinstalled OS X (including 10.6). BTW as far as I understand running OS X on non Apple hardware is forbidden in th

by borisk 16y ago

There are torrents with Vmware images with preinstalled OS X (including 10.6). BTW as far as I understand running OS X on non Apple hardware is forbidden in the EULA.

pudquick 16y ago
... as is running a VM instance of OS X on anything but the following: VM OS X Server (guest) on an OS X Server (host).
MisterWebz 16y ago
So with the Vmware it would be possible to develop Iphone apps on the PC?
- borisk 16y ago
  No idea, Apple may require a valid OSX/Mac serial number before registering a developer.
  - PieSquared 16y ago
    Both a hackintosh and a VMWare install can be used to develop iPhone apps. (I tried both, before just buying a mac for dev purposes). However, VMWare lagginess and bugginess is a pain even on a high-spec'd machine. And having a real mac is much nicer.
    - MisterWebz 16y ago
      Well that's very disappointing. I'm already getting an Iphone, but buying a mac as well would be too expensive/unnecessary. Perhaps there are modified versions of the necessary software to run on windows?
      - PieSquared 16y ago
        Don't get me wrong - if you are on a tight budget, a Hackintosh (if you can set it up) - is very usable. You might have to forgo some things, like working audio or wireless, but it will work well enough to develop iPhone apps if you have another main computer. Sadly, VMWare is impractical for anything serious, and XCode cannot run on windows.
      - drewcrawford 16y ago
        You can grab a low-specced Mac Mini off ebay for <$300.
  - hackermom 16y ago
    There are no OS X serial numbers, nor serial keys. There are unique Mac platform identifiers, but these are not used by Apple for anything today. Nothing is required of you to start developing for the iPhone, except the obvious of downloading the XCode+iPhone SDK package from ADC (which is free).
- illumin8 16y ago
  The main problem with running OSX in VMware is that quartz extreme is not supported, which means many of the apps that support video acceleration are broken. I would imagine that you could do some limited development of iphone apps, but you can forget about doing anything that uses OpenGL or OpenCL.
hackermom 16y ago
Not all countries are impaired by the inflated legal power of a EULA; they are entirely void in most of Europe.
- Locke1689 16y ago
  To be clear, enforceability of the EULA in the United States is murky as well.
  - eli 16y ago
    Yeah, but installing it probably also violates anticircumvention provision of the DMCA (i.e. is criminal) IANAL
    - lokiujhytyu 16y ago
      We in the free west laugh at your DMCA
      - Locke1689 16y ago
        I hope that's a joke because the "free west" doesn't exist. Every country has their own disturbing rights violations. Canada still runs religiously discriminated public schools in Ontario. Bill 101 in Quebec has been widely criticized as a violation of freedom of speech and freedom of language. Britain has the right to remain silent, but your silence can be used against you in court. In addition, the truth isn't a defense against libel. France has serious police abuse issues, to the point of torture in French prisons. Germany's 202c essentially bans network penetration testing. Working with Metasploit could be a crime. And so on and so forth...

by borisk 16y ago

There are torrents with Vmware images with preinstalled OS X (including 10.6). BTW as far as I understand running OS X on non Apple hardware is forbidden in the EULA.

pudquick 16y ago

... as is running a VM instance of OS X on anything but the following: VM OS X Server (guest) on an OS X Server (host).

MisterWebz 16y ago

So with the Vmware it would be possible to develop Iphone apps on the PC?

borisk 16y ago
No idea, Apple may require a valid OSX/Mac serial number before registering a developer.
- PieSquared 16y ago
  Both a hackintosh and a VMWare install can be used to develop iPhone apps. (I tried both, before just buying a mac for dev purposes). However, VMWare lagginess and bugginess is a pain even on a high-spec'd machine. And having a real mac is much nicer.
  - MisterWebz 16y ago
    Well that's very disappointing. I'm already getting an Iphone, but buying a mac as well would be too expensive/unnecessary. Perhaps there are modified versions of the necessary software to run on windows?
    - PieSquared 16y ago
      Don't get me wrong - if you are on a tight budget, a Hackintosh (if you can set it up) - is very usable. You might have to forgo some things, like working audio or wireless, but it will work well enough to develop iPhone apps if you have another main computer. Sadly, VMWare is impractical for anything serious, and XCode cannot run on windows.
    - drewcrawford 16y ago
      You can grab a low-specced Mac Mini off ebay for <$300.
- hackermom 16y ago
  There are no OS X serial numbers, nor serial keys. There are unique Mac platform identifiers, but these are not used by Apple for anything today. Nothing is required of you to start developing for the iPhone, except the obvious of downloading the XCode+iPhone SDK package from ADC (which is free).
illumin8 16y ago
The main problem with running OSX in VMware is that quartz extreme is not supported, which means many of the apps that support video acceleration are broken. I would imagine that you could do some limited development of iphone apps, but you can forget about doing anything that uses OpenGL or OpenCL.

hackermom 16y ago

Not all countries are impaired by the inflated legal power of a EULA; they are entirely void in most of Europe.

Locke1689 16y ago
To be clear, enforceability of the EULA in the United States is murky as well.
- eli 16y ago
  Yeah, but installing it probably also violates anticircumvention provision of the DMCA (i.e. is criminal) IANAL
  - lokiujhytyu 16y ago
    We in the free west laugh at your DMCA
    - Locke1689 16y ago
      I hope that's a joke because the "free west" doesn't exist. Every country has their own disturbing rights violations. Canada still runs religiously discriminated public schools in Ontario. Bill 101 in Quebec has been widely criticized as a violation of freedom of speech and freedom of language. Britain has the right to remain silent, but your silence can be used against you in court. In addition, the truth isn't a defense against libel. France has serious police abuse issues, to the point of torture in French prisons. Germany's 202c essentially bans network penetration testing. Working with Metasploit could be a crime. And so on and so forth...