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> Russia Accusations without evidence are irresponsible; incorrect attribution erodes trust and justifies resentment that lasts far longer than the current sit
by pdkl95 9y ago
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Accusations without evidence are irresponsible; incorrect attribution erodes trust and justifies resentment that lasts far longer than the current situation.
The article discusses evidence suggesting that Ukraine was the target, but that's only circumstantially suggests that Russia may be responsible. Proper attribution of anything on the internet is already incredibly difficult. The history of false flags and other deception-based motives makes the problem even harder.
> Best case is all sides escalate cyber-weapon "strength" to unthinkable levels and we enter a new cold-war standoff.
No, the best case is for software authors to be held liable for the safety problems in the infrastructure they create. MAD isn't going to stop other parties - even script kiddies - from exploiting the same bugs. Yes, it will cost a lot of time and money, but we've known how to build secure systems for a long time[1].
Escalating another conflict between the two largest nuclear powers is a plan that has a very good chance of getting a lot of people killed.
From the article:
>> The Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: “[The attack] again proves the Russian thesis that such a threat requires cooperation on the global level.”
I have a lot of issues with the current administration of Russia, but this is how we will survive the brave new technological world. MAD relies on the fear of retaliation; a far more reliable method of deterring hostilities is to create the situation where each side no longer wants a conflict, which can be accomplished with economic interdependencies. You don't bomb - conventionally, atomically, or with a weaponized computer virus - the business partners you rely on.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computer_System_Evaluation_Criteria#A_.E2.80.94_Verified_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computer_System_Evalua...
- anthonybsd 9y ago> The history of false flags Ukraine has a history of false flags? Do tell.
- pabloski 9y agohttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1359353/Ukraine-admits-it-shot-down-Russian-airliner.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/135...
- ch4s3 9y agoThat's not a false flag, it's just a refusal to accept responsibility.
- throwanem 9y agoMight be mixing it up with MH 17, which each side claimed the other downed.
- ch4s3 9y agoI assumed as much. And well, it was downed by Russian backed separatists(maybe even "off duty" Russian soldiers) using Russian equipment. I think the Russians just wanted spread a false narrative to sow distrust in factual reporting about the conflict. That is really more of a disinformation campaign than a false flag.
- anthonybsd 9y agoHow is that an example of false flag? They shot it down (16 years ago, mind you), and eventually owned up to it.
- pdkl95 9y agoHistory (in general) has numerous examples of false flags. It doesn't matter who the current players are, spies and disinformation exist, and intentionally misleading signaling happens. Accusations therefor requires at least some evidence connecting the accused to an action (or excluding everyone else).
- anthonybsd 9y agoAre you familiar with Cui bono? Quite a number of things that Russia does these days fall under that category and are generally accepted as Russia's doing despite any concrete evidence. I.e. killing Putin's critics, sponsorship of far right parties in Europe, supporting an uprising in Eastern Ukraine, etc.
- pdkl95 9y ago> Are you familiar with Cui bono? Of course. It's a very good heuristic for where to start an investigation; the guilty party is often found among the people that benefit. It can also be a plausible motive. However, as evidence it's only circummstanti8al. I shouldn't accuse you of robbing your local bank simply because you could have benefited from the stolen cash. > are generally accepted as Russia's doing despite any concrete evidence A lot of people have been making fallacious claims about Russia (and other places). I suspect that Putin is responsible for some of tho9se claims, but that doesn't mean they all are. Argumentum ad populum is still a fallacy,