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I've trained myself how to do this. Sure, call them psychics. I usually attribute them as having an innate ability to do this. As for me, there are schools of
by occultist_throw 9y ago
I've trained myself how to do this. Sure, call them psychics. I usually attribute them as having an innate ability to do this.
As for me, there are schools of magic that teach how to develop this. I didn't believe at first, but with enough "coincidences", I accepted it tentatively.
I still seek for a way to harmonize this with science proper. But most people are too caustic and closed-off to even give this a consideration.
There are really 2 options:
1. Everything is purely physical. When you die, you are worm food, the end. Many people 'believe' this, given no proof of either way.
2. The other option is that there is some unknown type of "energy" (boy, do I hate that word, BTW). And our bodies are some sort of receiver. Some times, we can receive other stuff. It would also explain out of body experiences, dreams that feel like more, feeling people watching you, near-death experiences, parents being able to sense when their child's hurt at a distance, and other things. How does this work? No bloody clue.
If everything's simply physical, then who cares? You're worm food anyways. The second offers much more - some people can communicate with it. So, how does it work? How can I receive it, say, from a computer receiver? How do I transmit? How do I view it?
But hostiles will be hostiles, well, until we start seeing more "Science of Consciousness" work. Then finally, we can bring the Occult and Psychism to science proper.
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(EDIT: Wow, again, another mod-storm. It seems the staunch atheists and antitheists are going at this thread with a vengeance.
I'm only highlighting 'interesting' phenomenon, for a possibility others might find something interesting and share their findings. You know, it's kind of how science works. Well, unless it's an echo-chamber filled with sycophants repeating their own religious dictates that 'the occult and psychism doesnt exist'. I know the path I understand it, but it is unprovable to others. Tl;Dr: study of N=1.
I'll wait for you deniers to explain consciousness. I'll be waiting.)
- muninn_ 9y agoAnd that's what we call Religion.
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- occultist_throw 9y agoReally? Looking for science given enough anecdotes is now "religion"? I spoke of no deities, no dictates, no 'holy orders'. But you know, I'm sure that everything has been invented and there is nothing new... How fitting, given someone naming themselves after Norse deity Odin's raven Muninn, meaning 'Mind'.
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- mandude 9y agoReligion is control of the masses. Spirituality is exploration of the spirit.
- abritinthebay 9y ago> 1. Everything is purely physical. When you die, you are worm food, the end. Many people 'believe' this, given no proof of either way. Other than it's the only thing we have evidence for. You know... that. It's quite rational to 'believe' something when all evidence we have points to it. The reverse is not true. Which brings me to... > The other option is that there is some unknown type of "energy" (boy, do I hate that word, BTW). And our bodies are some sort of receiver. Ok, so test this. If it exists and has an effect it should be measurable. Guess what's good at measuring stuff? Science. So go get that Nobel or something - help design a test and study for it! OoBE, lucid dreams, and NDE's all have very normal non "energy" explanations when you dive into anything more than a superficial level (and they are fascinating! It's a really cool area of science!) > The second offers much more Yes, empty promises with no proof are generally considered to offer plenty but unless you can show me actual evidence then it's just more snake oil.
- DigitalJack 9y agoThe absence of evidence is not a proof, in either direction. If someone believes something without evidence, and you do not believe it because of the lack of evidence, then you are both guilty of the same thing. If you flip a coin, and it lands out of sight, someone may choose to believe it is heads, and you may choose to believe it is tails. Both are choosing to believe something without evidence.
- the_af 9y agoBut the burden of proof lies on the side making the extraordinary claim. In the case of flipping coins, there is no extraordinary claim, but there sure is in the case of psychic energy or whatnot.
- DigitalJack 9y agoThat's BS. Whether a claim is extraordinary or not is opinion.
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- catshirt 9y agosorry you're being downvoted. hypocritical, really. i assume you are being downvoted because you are preaching faith: something you feel which is hard to quantify and prove. I call this behavior hypocritical because I'm sure none of your naysayers would argue we don't dream- something we only know exists because we've shared our experiences with each other. if they want to deny we dream- well- at least they're consistent. my plea: just because we cannot currently quantify something does not mean it's unscientific to discuss it. > "I'll wait for you deniers to explain consciousness. I'll be waiting." well said. I am tired of "we don't know so don't dare try discuss it." that kind of logic will hurt science more than it will help.