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That's not really fair. Ask 100 hacker news Firefox users if they used Firefox 12 months ago, I bet most would say yes. As them what they use today and I bet

That's not really fair. Ask 100 hacker news Firefox users if they used Firefox 12 months ago, I bet most would say yes. As them what they use today and I bet a lot have moved to chrome for a host of issues. I certainly have. He's not advertising-- he's expressing frustration with a browser that used to be good enough that people evangelized it.

DEinspanjer 16y ago
I don't mind anyone using or saying that they use Chrome. It is a great browser that is making improvements very quickly. I can also understand people trying out a different browser because they are having problems with their current browser. That is why many people moved from IE to Firefox. The way this particular comment was worded however, suggests that he was suddenly experiencing a problem with a feature that does not exist in Firefox 3.6.4 on Mac. That lead me to suspect the motives of his post. The problem I have is with certain types of evangelism. For example: Some people will exaggerate the problem they have had with competing software. Some people will take other people's problems and comment as if it were problems they had seen first hand. Some people will downplay problems that they have with the software they are currently evangelizing. It happened with people evangelizing Firefox over IE. It happens with the people who evangelizing pretty much anything. The parent poster replied that he is experiencing a problem that is different from what the article described. I'm sorry to hear that. I'd offer to help him try to resolve the problem, but it sounds like he decided that switching browsers was the right choice for him. It's a bit frustrating for me because after ten years, Firefox developers are still working their butts off to try to make a great browser that gives people privacy, flexibility, and performance. There are hundreds of millions of Firefox users out there, and if only one percent of them experience a problem and take to the web to complain about it, that is four and a half million people complaining which creates an echo that is tough to deal with. If one percent of the tens of millions of people using Chrome have a problem that they complain about on the web, that is half a million, and it is a whisper comparatively speaking. One of the biggest tools Chrome has in its arsenal is it's capability to silently update their browser. If people experience a problem that is easy for Chrome developers to reproduce and solve, they can push it out quickly to stop the problem. The silent update mechanism doesn't seem proper to some people at Mozilla though. It takes a lot of control away from the user, and it uses tricks in Windows to get around security controls that prevent it. Mozilla has instead thrown time and effort at being able to turn new releases around quicker than ever, as proved by the 3.6.6 release coming out less than a week after the previous release, and only a few days after a problem that affected millions of users was discovered. Mozilla has also been pouring time and effort into enhancing their ability to detect and understand crashes and other problems. I know because I'm very involved with the Socorro crash reporting project. Anyway, I think I've long since reached the point of babbling so I'll shut it. :)

DEinspanjer 16y ago

I don't mind anyone using or saying that they use Chrome. It is a great browser that is making improvements very quickly. I can also understand people trying out a different browser because they are having problems with their current browser. That is why many people moved from IE to Firefox. The way this particular comment was worded however, suggests that he was suddenly experiencing a problem with a feature that does not exist in Firefox 3.6.4 on Mac. That lead me to suspect the motives of his post. The problem I have is with certain types of evangelism. For example: Some people will exaggerate the problem they have had with competing software. Some people will take other people's problems and comment as if it were problems they had seen first hand. Some people will downplay problems that they have with the software they are currently evangelizing. It happened with people evangelizing Firefox over IE. It happens with the people who evangelizing pretty much anything. The parent poster replied that he is experiencing a problem that is different from what the article described. I'm sorry to hear that. I'd offer to help him try to resolve the problem, but it sounds like he decided that switching browsers was the right choice for him. It's a bit frustrating for me because after ten years, Firefox developers are still working their butts off to try to make a great browser that gives people privacy, flexibility, and performance. There are hundreds of millions of Firefox users out there, and if only one percent of them experience a problem and take to the web to complain about it, that is four and a half million people complaining which creates an echo that is tough to deal with. If one percent of the tens of millions of people using Chrome have a problem that they complain about on the web, that is half a million, and it is a whisper comparatively speaking. One of the biggest tools Chrome has in its arsenal is it's capability to silently update their browser. If people experience a problem that is easy for Chrome developers to reproduce and solve, they can push it out quickly to stop the problem. The silent update mechanism doesn't seem proper to some people at Mozilla though. It takes a lot of control away from the user, and it uses tricks in Windows to get around security controls that prevent it. Mozilla has instead thrown time and effort at being able to turn new releases around quicker than ever, as proved by the 3.6.6 release coming out less than a week after the previous release, and only a few days after a problem that affected millions of users was discovered. Mozilla has also been pouring time and effort into enhancing their ability to detect and understand crashes and other problems. I know because I'm very involved with the Socorro crash reporting project. Anyway, I think I've long since reached the point of babbling so I'll shut it. :)