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Again with the evidence-free Russian attribution hypothesis.

by daxorid 9y ago

notadoc 9y ago
Regardless of attribution, do you not find it worrying?
- jpttsn 9y ago
  Attribution would appear central. I'd find it worrying if Voldemort was behind this, but I don't see how I could be worried about that possibility without attribution.
  - notadoc 9y ago
    Interesting approach. If you had a disease, would you not be worried until you figured out what specifically caused your disease?
    - jpttsn 9y ago
      Sure would. But if you told me chemtrails was behind it, I might ask you to show your working before focusing my worries on that.
rbanffy 9y ago
It seems to be a good match for the observed events.
- pabloski 9y ago
  What events? The fact that Russia is the second most targeted country? Come on, this is the same old and tiring fake news from the "famous" hungarian oligarch's mass media. Even CNN has admitted to have produced fake news on Russia and Trump http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1176663/pg1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1176663/pg1 Seriously, this bullshit about the russian is starting to become irritating. My dog died yesterday. I am sure, it was Putin who did it!
  - vhvhbbv 9y ago
    Dude your handle is pabloski Come on comrade.
  - shallot_router 9y ago
    For one: if you're using Above Top Secret as a source... But anyway: there's a lot of sensationalizing and outright falsehoods when it comes to attributing things to the Russian government, no doubt, but we do know they leaked the DNC emails and have a very powerful and aggressive cyber intelligence department. No, there's no evidence Russia is behind this, but they're starting off as the prime suspect for a lot of good reasons. It's one day before Ukraine's day of independence from the Soviet Union. Ukrainian tax software, 1 of 2 mandated to be used by all companies in Ukraine, was used to spread it. A high-ranking Ukrainian intelligence official was assassinated the same day. Ukrainian government and companies have been very disproportionately affected. The ransomware was a cover for a data wiper; clearly it has a political rather than a monetary goal. Russia has been caught red-handed in cyberattacks against Ukrainian infrastructure for several years. It's the Russian government or someone trying to frame the Russian government; I think we can agree on that. We just don't know which it is yet.
    - qb45 9y ago
      > For one: if you're using Above Top Secret as a source... I presume the original source is this Project Veritas video where they covertly recorded some CNN employee talking that the stories about Russian interference are mostly empty talk without evidence produced because their viewers want to hear them. > we do know they leaked the DNC emails We don't, we know they hacked the DNC if we take CrowdStrike's word for it but there is no proof that Russia contacted WikiLeaks and WikiLeaks claims the documents came from an insider. Though it's another question how well they verified that this insider wasn't a Russian agent. > Russia has been caught red-handed in cyberattacks against Ukrainian infrastructure for several years. Any examples of that? I can believe that Russia is screwing with Ukraine but I would like to see some links.
      - shallot_router 9y ago

Again with the evidence-free Russian attribution hypothesis.

notadoc 9y ago

Regardless of attribution, do you not find it worrying?

jpttsn 9y ago
Attribution would appear central. I'd find it worrying if Voldemort was behind this, but I don't see how I could be worried about that possibility without attribution.
- notadoc 9y ago
  Interesting approach. If you had a disease, would you not be worried until you figured out what specifically caused your disease?
  - jpttsn 9y ago
    Sure would. But if you told me chemtrails was behind it, I might ask you to show your working before focusing my worries on that.

rbanffy 9y ago

It seems to be a good match for the observed events.

pabloski 9y ago
What events? The fact that Russia is the second most targeted country? Come on, this is the same old and tiring fake news from the "famous" hungarian oligarch's mass media. Even CNN has admitted to have produced fake news on Russia and Trump http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1176663/pg1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1176663/pg1 Seriously, this bullshit about the russian is starting to become irritating. My dog died yesterday. I am sure, it was Putin who did it!
- vhvhbbv 9y ago
  Dude your handle is pabloski Come on comrade.
- shallot_router 9y ago
  For one: if you're using Above Top Secret as a source... But anyway: there's a lot of sensationalizing and outright falsehoods when it comes to attributing things to the Russian government, no doubt, but we do know they leaked the DNC emails and have a very powerful and aggressive cyber intelligence department. No, there's no evidence Russia is behind this, but they're starting off as the prime suspect for a lot of good reasons. It's one day before Ukraine's day of independence from the Soviet Union. Ukrainian tax software, 1 of 2 mandated to be used by all companies in Ukraine, was used to spread it. A high-ranking Ukrainian intelligence official was assassinated the same day. Ukrainian government and companies have been very disproportionately affected. The ransomware was a cover for a data wiper; clearly it has a political rather than a monetary goal. Russia has been caught red-handed in cyberattacks against Ukrainian infrastructure for several years. It's the Russian government or someone trying to frame the Russian government; I think we can agree on that. We just don't know which it is yet.
  - qb45 9y ago
    > For one: if you're using Above Top Secret as a source... I presume the original source is this Project Veritas video where they covertly recorded some CNN employee talking that the stories about Russian interference are mostly empty talk without evidence produced because their viewers want to hear them. > we do know they leaked the DNC emails We don't, we know they hacked the DNC if we take CrowdStrike's word for it but there is no proof that Russia contacted WikiLeaks and WikiLeaks claims the documents came from an insider. Though it's another question how well they verified that this insider wasn't a Russian agent. > Russia has been caught red-handed in cyberattacks against Ukrainian infrastructure for several years. Any examples of that? I can believe that Russia is screwing with Ukraine but I would like to see some links.
    - shallot_router 9y ago