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Max deferral is 365 days. If you're running a business, switch to the business branch. If you don't like a feature, uninstall it. >it's hard to be certain that

Max deferral is 365 days. If you're running a business, switch to the business branch. If you don't like a feature, uninstall it. >it's hard to be certain that these are catching all of the telemetry. Am I mistaken? Not with Wireshark. Anti-beacon updates itself, and updates what it's blocking. It's a very nice piece of software. Besides, if we are to believe Msoft is only collecting the data they have told us they are collecting in 10, it isn't that scary. (They haven't released any such statement for 7.) >Actually, it's not. I've done what's necessary to avoid having that patch installed. I thought you didn't have time or interest for that? Blocking telemetry in 7 was much harder for me, it involved memorizing a list of KBXXXXXX numbers and making sure I didn't accidentally click one every time I updated.

DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
> Not with Wireshark. I was under the impression that wireshark is unable to verify what Microsoft is sending via telemetry, due to end-to-end encryption. Am I mistaken? > I thought you didn't have time or interest for that? Blocking telemetry in 7 was much harder for me, it involved memorizing a list of KBXXXXXX numbers and making sure I didn't accidentally click one every time I updated. I had that time back when the issue first arose. And my final solution is effective, but significantly suboptimal.
- SippinLean 9y ago
  You can tell where it's attempting to phone home, and if the attempt was blocked. If you're that concerned with telemetry, you might take a glance at Apple's privacy policy. Unlike MS with Windows 10, to my knowledge they have not released a statement of the user info they send home. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/10/20/apples-mac-computers-can-automatically-collect-your-location-information/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/10/20...
DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
> Max deferral is 365 days. If you're running a business, switch to the business branch. Thanks for the tip about the "business" branch - I hadn't encountered that concept before. Assuming that [1] is talking about the same thing you are, it sounds like the "365 days" number you quoted applies to what Microsoft calls "upgrades". "Another thing to keep in mind is that when you enable “Defer upgrades” in the Settings app, Windows 10 will automatically defer upgrades up to 4 months, and if you configure Windows Update for Business, you can further delay upgrades up to an additional 8 months. As such, you can postpone Windows 10 upgrades up to 12 months (4 + 8)." But I'm just as concerned with the patches that Microsoft doesn't call "upgrades". According to [2], "quality updates" can only be deferred up to 30 days, and I have no control over "non-deferrable updates". I'm still evaluating whether or not the liability of those forced updates justifies the cost of moving her post-processing systems to Apple. P.S. I should mention that we don't have access to Windows 10 Enterprise, and even if we did, I could never justify the time investment in becoming competent to use it just to defend her workstation from Microsoft. [1] http://pureinfotech.com/defer-windows-10-upgrades-updates/ http://pureinfotech.com/defer-windows-10-upgrades-updates/ [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-manage-updates-wufb https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...
- SippinLean 9y ago
  The vast majority of Wannacry victims were running unpatched Windows 7, I'm not sure why you'd want to avoid security updates. If 1 year isn't long enough to defer feature updates maybe the business cost of switching your entire workflow to a new OS is justified.

DoofusOfDeath 9y ago

> Not with Wireshark. I was under the impression that wireshark is unable to verify what Microsoft is sending via telemetry, due to end-to-end encryption. Am I mistaken? > I thought you didn't have time or interest for that? Blocking telemetry in 7 was much harder for me, it involved memorizing a list of KBXXXXXX numbers and making sure I didn't accidentally click one every time I updated. I had that time back when the issue first arose. And my final solution is effective, but significantly suboptimal.

SippinLean 9y ago
You can tell where it's attempting to phone home, and if the attempt was blocked. If you're that concerned with telemetry, you might take a glance at Apple's privacy policy. Unlike MS with Windows 10, to my knowledge they have not released a statement of the user info they send home. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/10/20/apples-mac-computers-can-automatically-collect-your-location-information/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/10/20...

DoofusOfDeath 9y ago

> Max deferral is 365 days. If you're running a business, switch to the business branch. Thanks for the tip about the "business" branch - I hadn't encountered that concept before. Assuming that [1] is talking about the same thing you are, it sounds like the "365 days" number you quoted applies to what Microsoft calls "upgrades". "Another thing to keep in mind is that when you enable “Defer upgrades” in the Settings app, Windows 10 will automatically defer upgrades up to 4 months, and if you configure Windows Update for Business, you can further delay upgrades up to an additional 8 months. As such, you can postpone Windows 10 upgrades up to 12 months (4 + 8)." But I'm just as concerned with the patches that Microsoft doesn't call "upgrades". According to [2], "quality updates" can only be deferred up to 30 days, and I have no control over "non-deferrable updates". I'm still evaluating whether or not the liability of those forced updates justifies the cost of moving her post-processing systems to Apple. P.S. I should mention that we don't have access to Windows 10 Enterprise, and even if we did, I could never justify the time investment in becoming competent to use it just to defend her workstation from Microsoft. [1] http://pureinfotech.com/defer-windows-10-upgrades-updates/ http://pureinfotech.com/defer-windows-10-upgrades-updates/ [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-manage-updates-wufb https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...

SippinLean 9y ago
The vast majority of Wannacry victims were running unpatched Windows 7, I'm not sure why you'd want to avoid security updates. If 1 year isn't long enough to defer feature updates maybe the business cost of switching your entire workflow to a new OS is justified.